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Cobretti2 on 29 December 2013
oniyide said:
Dream_While_Awake said:
oniyide said:

You're cool man, you really are but NO no no no no no. NO. You cant have your cake and eat it too, people want that classic Star Fox feeling, which judging by sales I say people WANT Star Fox 64 stuff, the thing is and what gamers dont and refuse to understand is that type of game has a ceiling and its not 5 million sales, not even close. You cant have a classic Star Fox game and have it do Smash bros numbers its not gonna happen. 

It really saddens me, unless you own stock in Nintendo why do you care what the game sells? especially at those unrealistic numbers. What happened to just having the game be good. They tried to "evolve" Star Fox and look how well that has worked out for them. And lets not blame install base. Other Ninty games had much better sales that both Star Foxes on GC, DS had a large install base, nobody cared. I dont know whats going on with 3ds must have hit that ceiling I was talkng about.

I don't care about sales but the guy is correct. I made this thread stating that Star Fox could potentially be a big seller for Nintendo. I think it definitely could, if done right. They need to make it modern but SF64 elements could of course be brought in. Why not 2 games in one almost? Have a mission mode that is 3 to 4 hours long in the same style as SF64 but the main story be off rails? It could work.

then why even make a thread about it being a big seller if you dont care might i ask? We're going to have to agree to disagree i dont see it. I honestly dont think Ninty internal studios have it in them or care. It might be a good game, but it sounds expensive and Ninty probably isnt going to want to invest, not with the numbers the series has done in the recent years.


But this is the whoe point of the thread "could become".

We are not saying Nintendo has the ability and more importantly wanting to risk the big money to do it. It is all in theory. If everything was done right with a big budget, it has the potential to be one of their big franchises. Note I said it has potential not will be.

And offcourse a classic star fox will not do smash numbers hence why I said it needs to evolve beyond that. It needs to attract new gamers. Imagine if Goolden Eye style game come out now in HD. People outside Nintendo core wouldn't even look at it because it is outdate mechanics. FPS games are still sucessful but that is because they evovled with the time. Star fox would need to do the same to become more relevant.

Finally they never really tried to "evolve" Starfox, it was an after thought a game that was rebranded with the star fox characters. What let it down was the fact it didn't have any flying missions. 



 

 

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NoirSon on 29 December 2013
HintHRO said:
I don't think 'hardcore' gamers want to play as animals anymore.

Yet, everyone blew a wad over a dog being in Call of Duty... or Master Cheif like faceless action figures in various other games... as long as you aren't puting them in direct control over the animal ala 3rd person shooter style, where they have to see them on screen all the time I think people would love a well done Star Fox game.

Nintendo's problem has been that they haven't put the resources toward such a game since Star Fox 64.



Mystro-Sama on 29 December 2013
fatslob-:O said:
F0X said:
fatslob-:O said:
F0X said:

If by "done correctly", you mean "give it to Platinum", then I think it's possible.

Why platinum games ?


I doubt that Platinum would have any trouble nailing the tone or fast-placed gameplay.

While I do agree with you that platinum has more experience in fast paced action games, they have yet to make a worthwhile title. (Don't bring up bayonetta because we all know that bombed pretty badly at the beginning and it wouldn't have reached 2 million without bargin bin deals.)


So it has to sell well to be worthwhile? You're joking right? -.-



oniyide on 29 December 2013
Cobretti2 said:
oniyide said:
Dream_While_Awake said:
oniyide said:

You're cool man, you really are but NO no no no no no. NO. You cant have your cake and eat it too, people want that classic Star Fox feeling, which judging by sales I say people WANT Star Fox 64 stuff, the thing is and what gamers dont and refuse to understand is that type of game has a ceiling and its not 5 million sales, not even close. You cant have a classic Star Fox game and have it do Smash bros numbers its not gonna happen. 

It really saddens me, unless you own stock in Nintendo why do you care what the game sells? especially at those unrealistic numbers. What happened to just having the game be good. They tried to "evolve" Star Fox and look how well that has worked out for them. And lets not blame install base. Other Ninty games had much better sales that both Star Foxes on GC, DS had a large install base, nobody cared. I dont know whats going on with 3ds must have hit that ceiling I was talkng about.

I don't care about sales but the guy is correct. I made this thread stating that Star Fox could potentially be a big seller for Nintendo. I think it definitely could, if done right. They need to make it modern but SF64 elements could of course be brought in. Why not 2 games in one almost? Have a mission mode that is 3 to 4 hours long in the same style as SF64 but the main story be off rails? It could work.

then why even make a thread about it being a big seller if you dont care might i ask? We're going to have to agree to disagree i dont see it. I honestly dont think Ninty internal studios have it in them or care. It might be a good game, but it sounds expensive and Ninty probably isnt going to want to invest, not with the numbers the series has done in the recent years.


But this is the whoe point of the thread "could become".

We are not saying Nintendo has the ability and more importantly wanting to risk the big money to do it. It is all in theory. If everything was done right with a big budget, it has the potential to be one of their big franchises. Note I said it has potential not will be.

And offcourse a classic star fox will not do smash numbers hence why I said it needs to evolve beyond that. It needs to attract new gamers. Imagine if Goolden Eye style game come out now in HD. People outside Nintendo core wouldn't even look at it because it is outdate mechanics. FPS games are still sucessful but that is because they evovled with the time. Star fox would need to do the same to become more relevant.

Finally they never really tried to "evolve" Starfox, it was an after thought a game that was rebranded with the star fox characters. What let it down was the fact it didn't have any flying missions. 

I dont think it even has the potential but thats just me.

I keep hearing evolve this and evolve that, but no one has said how? mostly its just people wanting to incoporate other genres into Star Fox and that could go either good or bad.

They didnt? so what was assault and command?



Dream_While_Awake on 29 December 2013
oniyide said:

then why even make a thread about it being a big seller if you dont care might i ask? We're going to have to agree to disagree i dont see it. I honestly dont think Ninty internal studios have it in them or care. It might be a good game, but it sounds expensive and Ninty probably isnt going to want to invest, not with the numbers the series has done in the recent years.

We are on a sales site. I find sales & trends in general to be rather interesting. I do it with games, music, and movies. At the end of the day, I don't actually care though. It's not like I benefit from something selling well. I buy what I want to play, listen to, or watch not what is popular like I'd hope everybody else on here does. Kind of like rooting for a football team. Does it actually matter if your team does well? No.

I agree that my idea will likely never come to reality but the threads more of a "Nintendo could have another ace if done right". It won't happen though.



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Simulacrum on 29 December 2013

I don't think it will do any better than any another Nintendo exclusive. It can only do a lot worse.
Would be fun tho.



 

 

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Cobretti2 on 29 December 2013
oniyide said:
Cobretti2 said:
oniyide said:
Dream_While_Awake said:
oniyide said:

You're cool man, you really are but NO no no no no no. NO. You cant have your cake and eat it too, people want that classic Star Fox feeling, which judging by sales I say people WANT Star Fox 64 stuff, the thing is and what gamers dont and refuse to understand is that type of game has a ceiling and its not 5 million sales, not even close. You cant have a classic Star Fox game and have it do Smash bros numbers its not gonna happen. 

It really saddens me, unless you own stock in Nintendo why do you care what the game sells? especially at those unrealistic numbers. What happened to just having the game be good. They tried to "evolve" Star Fox and look how well that has worked out for them. And lets not blame install base. Other Ninty games had much better sales that both Star Foxes on GC, DS had a large install base, nobody cared. I dont know whats going on with 3ds must have hit that ceiling I was talkng about.

I don't care about sales but the guy is correct. I made this thread stating that Star Fox could potentially be a big seller for Nintendo. I think it definitely could, if done right. They need to make it modern but SF64 elements could of course be brought in. Why not 2 games in one almost? Have a mission mode that is 3 to 4 hours long in the same style as SF64 but the main story be off rails? It could work.

then why even make a thread about it being a big seller if you dont care might i ask? We're going to have to agree to disagree i dont see it. I honestly dont think Ninty internal studios have it in them or care. It might be a good game, but it sounds expensive and Ninty probably isnt going to want to invest, not with the numbers the series has done in the recent years.


But this is the whoe point of the thread "could become".

We are not saying Nintendo has the ability and more importantly wanting to risk the big money to do it. It is all in theory. If everything was done right with a big budget, it has the potential to be one of their big franchises. Note I said it has potential not will be.

And offcourse a classic star fox will not do smash numbers hence why I said it needs to evolve beyond that. It needs to attract new gamers. Imagine if Goolden Eye style game come out now in HD. People outside Nintendo core wouldn't even look at it because it is outdate mechanics. FPS games are still sucessful but that is because they evovled with the time. Star fox would need to do the same to become more relevant.

Finally they never really tried to "evolve" Starfox, it was an after thought a game that was rebranded with the star fox characters. What let it down was the fact it didn't have any flying missions. 

I dont think it even has the potential but thats just me.

I keep hearing evolve this and evolve that, but no one has said how? mostly its just people wanting to incoporate other genres into Star Fox and that could go either good or bad.

They didnt? so what was assault and command?


Well that is your option and I don't have an issue with that. you shoudl have said it straight up that u don't think it has potential.

Assault was a step in the right direction game wise but it felt cheaper than adventures and it was way too short, also the running parts of  assault to me anyway felt too arcady and weird look to when they walked where as adventure was more an open world feel to it.

Command haven't played it as I don't bother with star fox on handhelds so can't comment how that turned out. Guessing it had a lot of touch screen elements to it. 



 

 

RazorDragon on 29 December 2013

I liked the direction they were going with Assault, I think that's what they should be heading for when creating a new game on the series. The main problem in that game was that on foot missions were the majority of the game. If they focus more on the on rails flight sections, and make bigger games overall(every Star Fox outside Adventures and Command is very short), I'm quite sure the series would be a lot more popular in terms of sales.



anonymunchy on 29 December 2013
flagstaad said:
anonymunchy said:

Agreed, 4-player online co-op and massive dogfights have immense potential. Give it to Retro Studios and develop it as Nintendo's flagship online multiplayer experience.

I think you are into something here, the characters are already there, and you can have both a good single player and online multiplayer experience, they can even add a 8 vs mode (4 vs 4) using star wolf. But I don't want the developer to be platinum or Retro, I want Nintendo to give the opportunity to Treasure and support them with an internal studios that handle the technical stuff.

I actually just recently jotted down some random thoughts I had for the series, I'll try and remember when I get home tomorrow. The reason I say Retro is because they have shown to have a keen eye in spotting what's great about a franchise and improve almost every aspect. I would treat this as a game that could persuade some fps fans. It needs a big name backing it.

I can see some potential in dual gamepad support. 2-player local co-op with both players looking at the gamepad and the tv offering a map and items or score screen. Bundle it with a gamepad and market as Nintendo's take on the online shooter genre. Plenty of sales potential if executed properly.



oniyide on 29 December 2013
Dream_While_Awake said:
oniyide said:

then why even make a thread about it being a big seller if you dont care might i ask? We're going to have to agree to disagree i dont see it. I honestly dont think Ninty internal studios have it in them or care. It might be a good game, but it sounds expensive and Ninty probably isnt going to want to invest, not with the numbers the series has done in the recent years.

We are on a sales site. I find sales & trends in general to be rather interesting. I do it with games, music, and movies. At the end of the day, I don't actually care though. It's not like I benefit from something selling well. I buy what I want to play, listen to, or watch not what is popular like I'd hope everybody else on here does. Kind of like rooting for a football team. Does it actually matter if your team does well? No.

I agree that my idea will likely never come to reality but the threads more of a "Nintendo could have another ace if done right". It won't happen though.


fair enough