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Soleron said:
pezus said:
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In the holiday season, yes...easily. Outside the holiday season it will be lower, but still a lot higher than for any other home console and quite possibly higher than 3DS.

"It's not getting any more games for a while" is just not true at all...

When is it next getting a game that will make it more attractive than the following:

Assassins Creed
Call of Duty
Killzone
Battlefield
FIFA

Drive Club is both free and so tied to the launch marketing that I think its demand is already here and won't suddenly appear when the game does.

Beyond that?

For Q1 of 2014, it has:

Tomb Raider: DE
Thief
Rayman Legends
Infamous: SS
Drive Club
Planetside 2

For Q2:

FF14
Watch Dogs
The Witness
Lego: The Hobbit
Dynasty Warrioirs 8
MGS: Ground Zeroes
UFC 14
Elder Scrolls Online
MLB 14

Q3:

Destiny
Dragon Age: Inquisition
The Crew
FIFA 14
The Order: 1886

That will bring us back to Q4, which will see the next COD and Assassin's Creed.  Plus, there are plenty of Sony studios that we have no idea what they are working on, or their release dates.  Some of which will most likely be llate 2014 or early 2015.  I also didn't even mention all the indie games releasing on PSN that will draw in people, as well.

As you can see, there isn't going to be a game drought for the PS4 any time soon, if ever.  And those games are appealing to a varied audience, so demand should lower, but still remain above the Xbox One and Wii U for quite some time.



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thismeintiel said:
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For Q1 of 2014, it has:

Tomb Raider: DE Late port
Thief No one cares
Rayman Legends Wrong demographic
Infamous: SS No one cares
Drive Club Covered
Planetside 2 Free-to-play, late port

For Q2:

FF14 Late port
Watch Dogs Unknown. No sales history to say whether people will actually buy it. People on here are hyped... but they were also hyped for Pikmin 3
The Witness Indie
Lego: The Hobbit Wrong demographic
Dynasty Warrioirs 8 lol
MGS: Ground Zeroes Demo
UFC 14 OK
Elder Scrolls Online $15/month MMOs do not work
MLB 14 OK

Q3:

Destiny Same as WD
Dragon Age: Inquisition No one cares
The Crew Definitely no one cares
FIFA 14 Already on PS4
The Order: 1886  Same as WD

That will bring us back to Q4, which will se the next COD and Assassin's Creed. 

Anyone who wants a $400 PS4 for CoD and AC already wants one now.

Plus, there are plenty of Sony studios that we have no idea what they are working on, or their release dates.  Some of which will most likely be llate 2014 or early 2015.

I don't believe them.

I also didn't even mention all the indie games releasing on PSN that will draw in people, as well.

Indie games don't make anyone outside GAF buy a PS4.

As you can see, there isn't going to be a game drought for the PS4 any time soon, if ever.  And those games are appealing to a varied audience, so demand should lower, but still remain above the Xbox One and Wii U for quite some time.

Nothing on the list, or even the whole list together, rivals what's already released on it in appeal terms. I don't see any new demand being added to the console in the next year. I think there's a flat amount of demand to satisfy and then the console will drop to be in line with ~2007 PS3 sales.



wow at the above. Talk about down playing a great lineup.



Blood_Tears said:
wow at the above. Talk about down playing a great lineup.


Some serious down playing.



Soleron said:
thismeintiel said:

For Q1 of 2014, it has:

Tomb Raider: DE Late port
Thief No one cares
Rayman Legends Wrong demographic
Infamous: SS No one cares
Drive Club Covered
Planetside 2 Free-to-play, late port

For Q2:

FF14 Late port
Watch Dogs Unknown. No sales history to say whether people will actually buy it. People on here are hyped... but they were also hyped for Pikmin 3
The Witness Indie
Lego: The Hobbit Wrong demographic
Dynasty Warrioirs 8 lol
MGS: Ground Zeroes Demo
UFC 14 OK
Elder Scrolls Online $15/month MMOs do not work
MLB 14 OK

Q3:

Destiny Same as WD
Dragon Age: Inquisition No one cares
The Crew Definitely no one cares
FIFA 14 Already on PS4
The Order: 1886  Same as WD

That will bring us back to Q4, which will se the next COD and Assassin's Creed. 

Anyone who wants a $400 PS4 for CoD and AC already wants one now.

Plus, there are plenty of Sony studios that we have no idea what they are working on, or their release dates.  Some of which will most likely be llate 2014 or early 2015.

I don't believe them.

I also didn't even mention all the indie games releasing on PSN that will draw in people, as well.

Indie games don't make anyone outside GAF buy a PS4.

As you can see, there isn't going to be a game drought for the PS4 any time soon, if ever.  And those games are appealing to a varied audience, so demand should lower, but still remain above the Xbox One and Wii U for quite some time.

Nothing on the list, or even the whole list together, rivals what's already released on it in appeal terms. I don't see any new demand being added to the console in the next year. I think there's a flat amount of demand to satisfy and then the console will drop to be in line with ~2007 PS3 sales.

Wow, you're trying WAY too hard.  But, if it helps you to sleep by downplaying PS4s demand and lineup, go right ahead.  The numbers will just slap you in the face harder when they are released.  Oh, and I meant FIFA 15.



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thismeintiel said:

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Wow, you're trying WAY too hard.  But, if it helps you to sleep by downplaying PS4s demand and lineup, go right ahead.  The numbers will just slap you in the face harder when they are released.

The lineup is the best ever for a launch console. The following year's lineup won't do anything for it compared to that.

Yes I think next year's PS4 numbers will be quite low.



Soleron said:
thismeintiel said:
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For Q1 of 2014, it has:

Tomb Raider: DE Late port
Thief No one cares
Rayman Legends Wrong demographic
Infamous: SS No one cares
Drive Club Covered
Planetside 2 Free-to-play, late port

For Q2:

FF14 Late port
Watch Dogs Unknown. No sales history to say whether people will actually buy it. People on here are hyped... but they were also hyped for Pikmin 3
The Witness Indie
Lego: The Hobbit Wrong demographic
Dynasty Warrioirs 8 lol
MGS: Ground Zeroes Demo
UFC 14 OK
Elder Scrolls Online $15/month MMOs do not work
MLB 14 OK

Q3:

Destiny Same as WD
Dragon Age: Inquisition No one cares
The Crew Definitely no one cares
FIFA 14 Already on PS4
The Order: 1886  Same as WD

That will bring us back to Q4, which will se the next COD and Assassin's Creed. 

Anyone who wants a $400 PS4 for CoD and AC already wants one now.

Plus, there are plenty of Sony studios that we have no idea what they are working on, or their release dates.  Some of which will most likely be llate 2014 or early 2015.

I don't believe them.

I also didn't even mention all the indie games releasing on PSN that will draw in people, as well.

Indie games don't make anyone outside GAF buy a PS4.

As you can see, there isn't going to be a game drought for the PS4 any time soon, if ever.  And those games are appealing to a varied audience, so demand should lower, but still remain above the Xbox One and Wii U for quite some time.

Nothing on the list, or even the whole list together, rivals what's already released on it in appeal terms. I don't see any new demand being added to the console in the next year. I think there's a flat amount of demand to satisfy and then the console will drop to be in line with ~2007 PS3 sales.

Damn Soleron it's not a great lineup but you tore it a new one, but I also kind of agree with you.



Hmm, I kinda agree with those downplaying the line up. I already have rayman legends, will get Watch_Dogs on PC probably and Ground Zeroes for my PS3. That's just my opinion though, an awful lot of people seem to be happy to buy a PS4 just to play the same games they can on current gen with better graphics.

I'm not trolling, it really seems that way looking at the best selling software on PS4 so far.



thismeintiel said:
Kristof81 said:
I know it's a little bit off topic, but did you guys notice that apart from SM3DW there's no 8th gen game in top 10 for last two weeks?

As Seece pointed out, that's definitely overtracked, too.  SM3DW did 215K for it's launch month (Nov) in the US, which includes digital sales, too.  So, it's definitely less than 200k retail for Nov.  It selling 131K in just one week for Dec make no sense whatsoever.

Weak argument is weak. It did 100k FW in Japan and yet, it sold almost 90k just last week. Holiday sales always boost tremendously the sales of Nintendo products. Just look at the wiiU, it was selling an average of 2-3k in Japan, now it's selling 100k+. 

Now obviously, you might be right that it's overtracked. But that doesn't mean your argument is correct either. You and Seece are just pointing out stuff without any proof whatsoever.



Predictions for LT console sales:

PS4: 120M

XB1: 70M

WiiU: 14M

3DS: 60M

Vita: 13M

thismeintiel said:
Soleron said:
pezus said:
...

In the holiday season, yes...easily. Outside the holiday season it will be lower, but still a lot higher than for any other home console and quite possibly higher than 3DS.

"It's not getting any more games for a while" is just not true at all...

When is it next getting a game that will make it more attractive than the following:

Assassins Creed
Call of Duty
Killzone
Battlefield
FIFA

Drive Club is both free and so tied to the launch marketing that I think its demand is already here and won't suddenly appear when the game does.

Beyond that?

For Q1 of 2014, it has:

Tomb Raider: DE
Thief
Rayman Legends
Infamous: SS
Drive Club
Planetside 2

For Q2:

FF14
Watch Dogs
The Witness
Lego: The Hobbit
Dynasty Warrioirs 8
MGS: Ground Zeroes
UFC 14
Elder Scrolls Online
MLB 14

Q3:

Destiny
Dragon Age: Inquisition
The Crew
FIFA 14
The Order: 1886

That will bring us back to Q4, which will see the next COD and Assassin's Creed.  Plus, there are plenty of Sony studios that we have no idea what they are working on, or their release dates.  Some of which will most likely be llate 2014 or early 2015.  I also didn't even mention all the indie games releasing on PSN that will draw in people, as well.

As you can see, there isn't going to be a game drought for the PS4 any time soon, if ever.  And those games are appealing to a varied audience, so demand should lower, but still remain above the Xbox One and Wii U for quite some time.

The Order is not confirmed for 2014 so I wouldn't put that on the list.