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episteme on 27 December 2013
iceland said:
I can see games like Skylanders still getting Wii U ports as they sell reasonably well and "fit" the Wii U audience. Not sure if it's worth continuing to port over the COD games. Ghost still hasn't hit 100k


Black Ops 2 sold better than Skylanders Giants on Wii U. At a much higher attach rate than Wii CoDs.

Many of the Nintendo CoD players were disappointed with the support of the BO2 Wii U version. They expected treatment comparable to the X360 or PS3 versions.

Swap Force has a bundle which many retailers sell at  a reduced prize.



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Nem on 27 December 2013

Nope. They need it for skylanders.



Soundwave on 27 December 2013

They'll continue to make Skylanders games for the Wii U and Ubisoft will continue with Just Dance games for Wii U.

I think Call of Duty and Assassin's Creed probably will not show up next time around for the Wii U though.



Proxy-Pie on 27 December 2013
daredevil.shark said:
kupomogli said:
curl-6 said:
kupomogli said:

 It's a waste to support a fanbase that only cares about the latest rehash of Mario, Zelda, etc.

Reported.

Reported the truth.

Truth hurts for some people. Nintendo makes great games. But they are re-hash of 20-30 year old games with same formula.


dat rehash



dahuman on 27 December 2013

I haven't paid for an Activision game in a very long time, they simply don't have games that I've been interested in lately, and by lately, I mean like in recent years, pretty sure the last thing I got was Cataclysm if you count that, which was 3 years ago. They should just give up with me I guess.



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SubiyaCryolite on 27 December 2013

So with the latest hardware adjustments the PS4 and XBox1 already match the Wii Us current totals when combined. That along with the PC market, future hardware sales, higher attach rates than that on the Wii U plus the PS3 and 360 which are still doing well, means things will only get worse for the WiiU in terms of 3rd party support.

I really think Nintendo as a company is extremely passive in regards to encouraging and supporting 3rd party's on their hardware. Microsoft and Sony give developers and publishers lots of incentives while Nintendo seemingly just sits there with its arms folded. The situation in Japan seems to be changing with Zelda Hyrule Warriors and Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem. NoA however *smh*

Activision will always stick around as long as there's a profit but effort on their part will be minimal. I fear no DLC and a few other features might become the norm on WiiU



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

S.T.A.G.E. on 27 December 2013
padib said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

When last gen consoles lose the majority of the major support the Wii U can kiss the support goodbye. As I told someone before its blindly be obvious Nintendo is going to bite the dust with third party for coming out with a subpar powered console. Its also an underpowered console with no massive following so the third party doesn't even have incentive to create tailor made games for the Wii U. 

Take heed that one of the lead developers of the Elder Scrolls online said the PS4 and Xbox One were not on the list of consoles to get the game. It was meant to be PC only, but when they found out that the consoles were up to snuff as far as power was concerned they were more than happy to make a console port of the game. The Wii U will NOT get anything because its power is not on par with next gen expectation but rather slightly above last gen and its Nintendos fault for not consulting with third parties when they developed the Wii U. Bethesda said it best I think despite the fact that they do make buggy games, but Skyrim was awesome. 

COD was selling fine on the Wii originally, viper has already explained to you why the Wii versions of COD dwindled release after release, it's nothing of Nintendo's fault. If you want to build a brand on a platform, you gotta work bitch (to quote a famous artist).

Even if Nintendo was on par graphically, if Acti does no work, they get no monyz. Simple. So it actually has nothing to do with Nintendo other than Nintendo's effort in smoothening relationships with 3rd parties is broken. But it has nothing to do with performance.

You've learned a few things in this thread, but they are mostly erroneous.

To further my point:

 

  • The DS is largely weaker than its competition, it still cleans the house.
  • When the U was out and there was no PS4/X1, the U's version of COD did not sell well either.
  • Some devs are at the moment saying things like "we have no audience on Nintendo consoles (laughs)", rather than "Nintendo's consoles aren't strong enough". That alone should make you think twice about your theory. Devs are just not supporting Nintendo consoles because they have not built a market on the platform. That takes effort and that effort was not put into place by 3rd party devs. They were in it for the easy cash. All except Ubisoft.

 


The DS is a completely different story. Third party react differently to consoles and opportunity therin.



oniyide on 27 December 2013
curl-6 said:
oniyide said:

What sales? Both Cods on WII u flopped. COD did worst and worst as the years went on. Conduit 1 didnt sell as much as it should have and 2 was a straight up flop. GE is the only game released that actual did good. Hell we can go back on GC and you'll see that most 3rd party mulipats FPSs did worst on GC, and im talking compared to Xbox not PS2

You're just proven some peoples point of not even bothering, if you were not going to buy the DLC and from a stats stand point most people DONT why would that stop you from buying the game? It makes no sense. People are mad they dont have the option to buy something that they werent going to buy in the first place? a company should just waste time and resources to make them feel better? With that attitude some wonder why there arent alot of games on the system. Not to mention its the cheapest version but funny how people forget that (at least in the US)

YOu dont know nothing cause you've havent seen it, last time i checked people were innocent before proven guitly. You have NO evidence whatsoever. Its sounds like instead of just admiting what everyone knew for years that games like that simply dont do that well on Ninty platforms compared to the ohter systems, you rather just make up stuff that isnt even true. What was AC 4 excuse for flopping on WIi U again?

- COD3, World at War, Modern Warfare, Black  Ops, Goldeneye 007, all million plus selling FPS games on Wii. You don't cross a million where there is no audience.

- Nintendo gamers are pissed about being offered what they percieve as a sub par product. 

- AC4 was a shitty unoptimised 360 port. Splinter Cell Blacklist was a shitty unoptimised 360 port. Batman Arkham Origins was a shitty unoptimised 360 port. COD Ghosts. COD BO2. AC3. Take a wild guess what Watch Dogs will be.

they USED to cross a million, you keep avoiding the fact that they went down with each installment. Why?

Even if this is true that means they must have bought it elsewhere which means the audience is elsewhere. 

Did you play AC4? I dont think you did, it was patched up. I think you didnt play it and just making excuses for it flopping



oniyide on 27 December 2013
Cobretti2 said:
oniyide said:
curl-6 said:
oniyide said:
curl-6 said:
Cobretti2 said:

but the other versions also have glitches. Even the PS54 had some minor framerate issues when it launched. Fixed with a patch. WIi U patch fixed the framerate issues on Ghosts also. You annot expect a game that comes out on 5 platforms to be glitch free unless they delay it for ages to get all the bugs out.

The issue is the audience is not there. The audience has left long ago. Hence why I said earlier Activision need to build a new audience on Wii U (i.e. Wii U owners only), however that will be hard or almost impossible as the console isn't selling that well and because most people these days have at least two consoles.

There was an audience, and there still is a potential one, but Activision is doing a fine job of driving them away.


no there isnt, the audience left and moved on to PS PC and MS systems long ago, the declining sales of COD games on Wii (and DS) and the fact that both PS4 and Xbone versions did much better the Wii U ones despite being launch titles prove this. THere not on WIi U it is what it is. ANd as for DLC, only 1/3 of the users even buy DLC still think its important.

I wonder what excuses people will use when Watchdogs flops on WIi U or at the very least does the worst and judging by preorders its doing the worst

Of course there's an FPS audience on Nintendo consoles. Besides the COD ports, Goldeneye 007 also did well on Wii. And DLC is important because of what it represents; equal treatment. Nintendo gamers got sick of being treated like crap.

Watch Dogs will flop on Wii U because it will be a shitty unoptimised 360 port on a system with just 5 million consoles in the wild.

sales prove otherwise, Goldeneye did well, thats one game out of many now how well did FPSs do on other systems keep in mind they both had much smaller install bases. You're grasping at straws, i tell you that most COD players dont even purchase DLC, now youre saying that its not about the actual DLC but what it represents? If thats the case then Acti might as well not even put the game on the system with that attitude.  Remember this is a buisness.

How do you know it will be unoptimised? they havent even shown it yet, its like your making excuses before it even drops


I agree about the DLC. Hell I even had FREE codes for one of them and couldn't care less and they eventually expired. 

Not buying because of a representation is just stupid.

The only 3rd prty game that deserves a hammering in the last few months on Wii U is Batman. That shit was much inferior to the launch game (i.e.e textures, missing features and missing tablet stuff that was one before). To top it off it was outsourced to some d rated developer.

The rest like Deus Ex, COD, ACIV (ubisoft even released the special versions too and where kind enough to replace my sketchbook cause it was damaged), Rayman all are solid games with no more or less faults than their other console counter parts.


In Batman's defense it was cheaper and the lack of MP wasnt a lost considering people hated it across the board, but I digress. You're right. Im not saying they are all saints but when ALL the games are flopping something is wrong. Whats funny to me is all of a sudden ALL of them are inferior ports, some people in this thread are straight up lying, hell you can go to the games' wall and see how they praise it (check AC3 for WIi U) and now because the game flopped it must be becasue it was inferior? I remember one time people were bragging that COD BLOPS 2 for Wii U was the best version.



oniyide on 27 December 2013
Mnementh said:
oniyide said:
 

the seeds have already begun to be planted. Outside of Watchdogs i cant think of any next gen multiplat game thats coming to WIi U and even Watchdogs is cross gen

What next gen multiplat games exist so far? All I know are cross-gen games like FIFA or COD.


FF15, KH3, SW Battlefront, Mirror's Edge 2, Fallout MMO, just of the top of my head. you good?