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Will Wii U outsell GameCube?

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I'd be very surprised if it didn't. For all the doom and gloom, the people I know who actually have one (including myself) actually really like the system on the whole. It's also going to have games which PS4 and XB1 won't have meaning if you were going to have a second console in a year or two, it would most likely be a Wii U.



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curl-6 said:
Captain_Tom said:

1) It's more expensive because of the useless tablet.  Unless they remove it, its price will never drop to the Gamecube's levels.  

2) Why would those games do better on Wii U than they did on Gamecube?  Mario didn't.  Again what do we know?

3) Even if theings turn around to Gamecube levels, it would fail to beat it because right now the Gamecube is DESTROYING it.  It would have to start destroying the Gamecube to even catch up with it...

I am not saying the Wii U can't do better, I am saying there is zero evidence that it will, and tons of evidence that it won't.  Anyone who says it WILL do better, is delusional.

There's plenty of evidence it will, you're just choosing to ignore it.

1. "WiiU will never drop to Gamecube price" ... seriously? You think Wii U will never hit $199 with the tablet? Manufacturing costs reduce with time.

2. Because those franchises have grown since then.

3. Gamecube was the car with good acceleration but no top speed. Wii U is the car with shitty acceleration but a higher top speed. (Key games arriving later, higher starting price point)


1) I am not talking $199.  That was the Gamecube's launch price when it was still getting its ass handed to it.  The PS3 and 360 will be $150 soon and eventually $100 within a couple years.  The Wii U needs to cost the same or less than them  to compete, and considering they are still not profiting off their console I do not see that happening.

http://www.geek.com/games/wii-u-price-drop-wont-happen-as-hardware-is-still-sold-at-a-loss-1564837/

2) Feel free to agree to disagree, but I do not see any evidence of "Growth," or at least the kind of growth that would make any difference...

 

3) I do not see how the Wii U's "Top Speed" is higher.  It has far more things working against it than the Gamecube did, and getting the same games eventually is not as good as getting them sooner at a lower price point.



curl-6 said:
Fusioncode said:

1. That $199 won't happen until 2015 at the earliest. That's a long time from now.

2. Those franchises grew with the success of the Wii, with the WiiU doing much worse it's very likely that Mario Kart and Smash Bros will return to Gamecube numbers. 

3. Several key games have already arrived and they have done litte to push hardware. NSMB sold 30 million copies on the Wii, why didn't that become a huge hardware pusher for the WiiU? 

1. But it will happen.

2/3. Mario was oversaturated between NSMB2, 3D Land, 3D World, and NSMBU within 2 years. Kart and Smash don't have this problem.


"But it will happen."  

 

But the PS3 and 360 will be $150 or even $100 by then.  Nope, sorry it won't make a difference.



Lol I don't even think wii u will even sell as much as GameCube lol!



Captain_Tom said:

3) I do not see how the Wii U's "Top Speed" is higher.  It has far more things working against it than the Gamecube did, and getting the same games eventually is not as good as getting them sooner at a lower price point.


I think it probably will be. GameCube blew it's load in the first year or so (Smash Bros etc came out within weeks of launch in Europe and it was very cheap to start with). Wii U has had very little of it's potential "big guns" in comparison, and is also at a much higher price point.

GCN launched at £129.99 in the UK vs £299.99 for the premium Wii U. (£249.99 for basic). Even now it's £200+ for Wii U. Which is still more than the Wii launched at and sub £200 is the "sweet spot" for console sales.



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Captain_Tom said:
curl-6 said:
Captain_Tom said:

1) It's more expensive because of the useless tablet.  Unless they remove it, its price will never drop to the Gamecube's levels.  

2) Why would those games do better on Wii U than they did on Gamecube?  Mario didn't.  Again what do we know?

3) Even if theings turn around to Gamecube levels, it would fail to beat it because right now the Gamecube is DESTROYING it.  It would have to start destroying the Gamecube to even catch up with it...

I am not saying the Wii U can't do better, I am saying there is zero evidence that it will, and tons of evidence that it won't.  Anyone who says it WILL do better, is delusional.

There's plenty of evidence it will, you're just choosing to ignore it.

1. "WiiU will never drop to Gamecube price" ... seriously? You think Wii U will never hit $199 with the tablet? Manufacturing costs reduce with time.

2. Because those franchises have grown since then.

3. Gamecube was the car with good acceleration but no top speed. Wii U is the car with shitty acceleration but a higher top speed. (Key games arriving later, higher starting price point)


1) I am not talking $199.  That was the Gamecube's launch price when it was still getting its ass handed to it.  The PS3 and 360 will be $150 soon and eventually $100 within a couple years.  The Wii U needs to cost the same or less than them  to compete, and considering they are still not profiting off their console I do not see that happening.

http://www.geek.com/games/wii-u-price-drop-wont-happen-as-hardware-is-still-sold-at-a-loss-1564837/

2) Feel free to agree to disagree, but I do not see any evidence of "Growth," or at least the kind of growth that would make any difference...

 

3) I do not see how the Wii U's "Top Speed" is higher.  It has far more things working against it than the Gamecube did, and getting the same games eventually is not as good as getting them sooner at a lower price point.

1. You can't play Mario Kart or Smash Bros on PS3/360. And that article  is from August, we're talking about cuts next year. Consoles sell much better at $199 than they do at $299.

2. Brawl sold 5 million more than Melee, Mario Kart Wii 27 million more than Double Dash.

3. But it won't necessarily get the "same games" as GCN, it may get much better ones; GCN gutted  Nintendo's key franchises, Wii U can still avoid this mistake.



Yes.



curl-6 said:
Captain_Tom said:
curl-6 said:
Captain_Tom said:

1) It's more expensive because of the useless tablet.  Unless they remove it, its price will never drop to the Gamecube's levels.  

2) Why would those games do better on Wii U than they did on Gamecube?  Mario didn't.  Again what do we know?

3) Even if theings turn around to Gamecube levels, it would fail to beat it because right now the Gamecube is DESTROYING it.  It would have to start destroying the Gamecube to even catch up with it...

I am not saying the Wii U can't do better, I am saying there is zero evidence that it will, and tons of evidence that it won't.  Anyone who says it WILL do better, is delusional.

There's plenty of evidence it will, you're just choosing to ignore it.

1. "WiiU will never drop to Gamecube price" ... seriously? You think Wii U will never hit $199 with the tablet? Manufacturing costs reduce with time.

2. Because those franchises have grown since then.

3. Gamecube was the car with good acceleration but no top speed. Wii U is the car with shitty acceleration but a higher top speed. (Key games arriving later, higher starting price point)


1) I am not talking $199.  That was the Gamecube's launch price when it was still getting its ass handed to it.  The PS3 and 360 will be $150 soon and eventually $100 within a couple years.  The Wii U needs to cost the same or less than them  to compete, and considering they are still not profiting off their console I do not see that happening.

http://www.geek.com/games/wii-u-price-drop-wont-happen-as-hardware-is-still-sold-at-a-loss-1564837/

2) Feel free to agree to disagree, but I do not see any evidence of "Growth," or at least the kind of growth that would make any difference...

 

3) I do not see how the Wii U's "Top Speed" is higher.  It has far more things working against it than the Gamecube did, and getting the same games eventually is not as good as getting them sooner at a lower price point.

1. You can't play Mario Kart or Smash Bros on PS3/360. And that article  is from August, we're talking about cuts next year. Consoles sell much better at $199 than they do at $299.

2. Brawl sold 5 million more than Melee, Mario Kart Wii 27 million more than Double Dash.

3. But it won't necessarily get the "same games" as GCN, it may get much better ones; GCN gutted  Nintendo's key franchises, Wii U can still avoid this mistake.


1) August was only 4 months ago.  I doubt they are swimming in cash.  At the very least they aren't profiting enough to lower the price any time soon (WHich was obviously my point).

2) Yep on the Wii.  You gonna tell me the Wii U will sell 100m too?  Oh wait no the Gamecube is killing it...

3) It may.  It could.  It might.  The PS4 may secretly double as a jetpack!   But it probably doesn't.  What we KNOW is that nothing so far has worked.  



Captain_Tom said:

1) August was only 4 months ago.  I doubt they are swimming in cash.  At the very least they aren't profiting enough to lower the price any time soon (WHich was obviously my point).

2) Yep on the Wii.  You gonna tell me the Wii U will sell 100m too?  Oh wait no the Gamecube is killing it...

3) It may.  It could.  It might.  The PS4 may secretly double as a jetpack!   But it probably doesn't.  What we KNOW is that nothing so far has worked.  

1) But the price will drop. It will get there, and when it does it will enter the buying range of a whole new audience.

2) Still significant franchise growth that will not just vanish; we're seeing this with Kart 7 on 3DS; DS growth has it already outselling the GBA version on less than half the userbase.

3) Almost nothing has actually been tried so far. The console is still too expensive, it still lacks the real system sellers, Kart and Smash. Wii U's biggest guns haven't been fired yet, its silly to judge its future performance on the vastly different circumstances of the present.



curl-6 said:
Captain_Tom said:

1) August was only 4 months ago.  I doubt they are swimming in cash.  At the very least they aren't profiting enough to lower the price any time soon (WHich was obviously my point).

2) Yep on the Wii.  You gonna tell me the Wii U will sell 100m too?  Oh wait no the Gamecube is killing it...

3) It may.  It could.  It might.  The PS4 may secretly double as a jetpack!   But it probably doesn't.  What we KNOW is that nothing so far has worked.  

1) But the price will drop. It will get there, and when it does it will enter the buying range of a whole new audience.

2) Still significant franchise growth that will not just vanish; we're seeing this with Kart 7 on 3DS; DS growth has it already outselling the GBA version on less than half the userbase.

3) Almost nothing has actually been tried so far. The console is still too expensive, it still lacks the real system sellers, Kart and Smash. Wii U's biggest guns haven't been fired yet, its silly to judge its future performance on the vastly different circumstances of the present.

1) Yes it will drop.  BUT SO WILL PS360!!!  Why do you keep ignoring that?!

2) Outselling GBA version?!  That's because that vwrsion was terrible!

3) Price cuts haven't helped, new games haven't helped, and Mario hasn't helped.  At the end of the day the only thing that will make a difference is a total relaunch with SSB, no tablet, and a sub $200 price point.  But I don't see that happening...