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Demensha on 19 December 2013
fauzman said:
I dont get it. You say it will replace cable boxes. Butthe x1 ISNT a cable box itself - so doesnt it need cable boxes to connect to?


all microsoft would need to do is build in a tv tuner and then you lease/rent a cable card from your tv provider and bam you have a fully functional cable/gaming/streaming/smart box.

or microsft can just build special consoles with tv tuners built with coaxial inputs and providers could rent these special devices out at a premium price.



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existenz2 on 19 December 2013

1. The xbone does NOT have a RF or cable in connection.

2. Cable boxes have custom decription hardware and smart card readers that the xbone hardware does NOT have.

 

So no.

 

selnor1983 said:

I have been thinking really hard.


Time to stop your face has gone red and you might hurt yourself. Go get some pizza instead.



Xenostar on 19 December 2013

This is never going to happen, for so many reasons. I know i should list them but they all seem so obvious, many have been stated already.



Zappykins on 19 December 2013

Well, since the Xbox 360 already did something like this with a couple of providers I don't see why not. Plus they just added Verizion FIOS Xbox One app, which gives the user and extra 74 channels. (See thread: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=174616&page=1#4)

And, I would like to add Australia with FoxCon.

True, it doesn't have a tuner - which is why it works with cable boxes that the companies provide.

Now, the might try to do their own. But since Microsoft already has it, they would look like the silly Samsung TV that you talk to the remote - it doesn't quite work.

I would think Google or Apple will try to make similar arrangements.



 

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fauzman on 19 December 2013
Demensha said:
fauzman said:
I dont get it. You say it will replace cable boxes. Butthe x1 ISNT a cable box itself - so doesnt it need cable boxes to connect to?


all microsoft would need to do is build in a tv tuner and then you lease/rent a cable card from your tv provider and bam you have a fully functional cable/gaming/streaming/smart box.

or microsft can just build special consoles with tv tuners built with coaxial inputs and providers could rent these special devices out at a premium price.

But they dont have this now. How long would this functionality take and how much would it add to the $500 cost which is already fairly high? Also this would suggest functionality a while from now rather  than at this moment which dilutes the x1's strong point and potential sales from this move. 



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binary solo on 19 December 2013

How did I know this was a Selnor thread before I opened it?

Why would cable companies hand over profits to MS? It doesn't advantage them. So cable companies aren't going to pay MS anything. Selling Xb one to non-gamers as their cable box only provides ongoing revenue for MS if they put the cable subs behind the XBL gold paywall. But what non-gamer is going to pay extra for their TV content?

No, TV content being directly channeled through Xb one only works for gamers, who are already paying for XBL Gold and hence do not consider Gold an added cost on top of their cable service.

Cable companies want their apps on as many internet devices as possible, so they won't do exclusivity deals with Xb one, except for other consoles. They will still want to see their apps on tablets, phones, laptops and PCs.

Xb one can't actually be a cable set top box, because it lacks the cable port. It only has HDMI in. Are any cable companies piping their content in into houses using HDMI cables? I don't think so. Therefore Xb one can only be a web streaming delivery box, and there's certainly not much unique about that. I don't see the value proposition for anyone who isn't already inclined to get Xb one for gaming.



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binary solo on 19 December 2013
Demensha said:
superchunk said:
selnor1983 said:
superchunk said:
That is not obvious.

Comcast (largest cable provider) and others are actually creating their own super-smart cable boxes.

While they *may* have agreements with MS to allow the Xbone to pull in their internet based digital content, I seriously doubt very many will allow you to replace your entire cable box with an xbone. After all the rental charges on these boxes as well as the complete control the providers have over them is a stream of direct and potential income.

But providers allow you to watch live TV without a box already via Internet. Sky Go for example. Times have changed. You can subscribe to Sky and not even have a TV or a box. Its logical to fight streaming services. As they are all over Xbox One with streaming apps.

Yes many cable/sat are starting to provide internet based access to their content and that will continue as an application that will not be exclusive to Xbone. In fact I already have that app on my android devices.

XBone will likely get somethign similar as will PS4 and possibly even Wii U.

What you're predicting is already in play and not exclusive to any one.

 

EDIT: However, these actions won't get rid of the cable box as that's good revenue for the providers due to rental fees, etc. There will always be many features that the box is required for in the home.


for starters comcast and as far as i know every other cable company do not build their own equipment. example in my market we are scientific and cisco boxes. comcast charges 9$ a month for the hd model and 15 for the hddvr.

whats to stop comcast and microsoft from stricking a deal in where microsoft adds a cisco tuner to the xbox one for comcast to use as a cable box. these special boxes are then rented out to customers as hddvr/gaming systems. then at 35$ a month comcast gets the entire rental fee but is buying the boxes from microsoft at a premium price say 600$. its a win win. not to mention the current comcast X1 hddvr would run a customer 900$ if they broke the box and comcast wanted to be dicks and charge the customer.

 

for a premium, i do believe we will have xbox1 dvr cable boxes in the next 1-2 years.

Ahh so that's why MS made the Xb one so gargantuan, they've cunningly left a ton of space to fit in the guts of a cable set top box.

This prediction is more laughable than Selnor's original. MS will not be doing it this generation. But you should make a pitch to them for Xb one 2.



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zuvuyeay on 19 December 2013

well i could see a provider having incentives in the battle for subs but not sure how your average joe can work their around console mechanisms and tv's will all be wifi,cameras and voice in a few years most likely as tech races on



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selnor1983 on 19 December 2013
theprof00 said:
selnor1983 said:
theprof00 said:
Wow selnor, you are the king of misleading headlines and false information.
Xbox one doesn't have a cable hookup, so it can't replace a box.
And as an app, why xbox1 specifically? The one advantage I see xb1 having is its tv functionality, but that works with pass-through, and wouldn't even function on the app level, so basically, you're saying that cable providers will choose x1 just because.

???

Internet connection anyone?

You can subscribe to Sky in the UK with no box, just a 360. And have live Sky. So dont understand what your point is?

The PS3 in UK never got SkyGo. 360 has had it for over 3 years. Its possible, but not a great marketing ploy. Xbox One has been designed as a media box. It has its own TV channels, Its own ( much better ) Guide ( Which is fully customisable and needs no controller. Anyone who uses this stuff daily will tell you PS4 has nothing even close to this.

It being on the PS4 doesnt add anything to the consumer buying it, other than a longer to navigate OS.

If it's an app, then it won't use any of the xb1's special features. Why are you acting like xb1 is contributing anything more than another box can? You keep saying it's a media box with guide, but then you say it will use streaming apps...the two are incompatible. Why do you keep saying this like it works?

It's like saying I can read my gmail through my instagram since it's on the same phone.


The 2 arent incompatible. Its entirely up to the developer of said apps. For example, I have the Machinima App. Certain channels within the app are on my One Guide. Because I have added them there. Same with my Skydrive app. I have certain channels dedicated to certain Skydrive things.

Im amazed at how much people dont know about Xbox One. No wonder alot of PS fans think they are similar and say the Xbox One isnt really doing anything different. Its massively different, and way faster and alot more intuitive.

For all other consoles you have to go into a certain app to see whats new. On Xbox One you simply see whats new on anything vis your One Guide.



selnor1983 on 19 December 2013
existenz2 said:

1. The xbone does NOT have a RF or cable in connection.

2. Cable boxes have custom decription hardware and smart card readers that the xbone hardware does NOT have.

 

So no.

 

selnor1983 said:

I have been thinking really hard.


Time to stop your face has gone red and you might hurt yourself. Go get some pizza instead.


More than 500,000 people have been using their 360 with Sky. With no Cable box whatsoever. You do not need a connection to cable or dish to get cable anymore. 360 has been reieveing live Sky for over 3 years. Via subscription and no need for any boxes in the house at all.