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g911turbo said:
theprof00 said:


It is a shame that Dead Rising 3 hasn't sold better (although it still has time to do so).   It really has been a fun game and better than Ryse in my opinion.  Can't comment on KZ yet, but I've hear much like Ryse it is more "show than go".

Funny thing is, the graphics in DR3 are still great.  I think people who give it a lot of shit haven't actually PLAYED it.  The more I've played the game the more I realize that.  Some of the scenes literally have hundreds and hundreds of zombies on screen at once.  The congestion is unreal and really makes you wonder how you are going to get from point A to B sometimes.  Using cars to get high ground etc. to stay alive.  Flares to move the crowd away from you to clear a path.  To me, it's what they wanted to achieve with DR2 but couldn't because of the hardware (Xbox 360).

Now the inventory system is still rage inducing at times, but I digress.  Overall really fun game.

I've always liked the dead rising games. I was frustrated that the first one was exclusive and I'm frustrated that this one is too. It looks fun, and I agree it is way more deserving than ryse.



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theprof00 said:
XxGame4lifexX said:

*sigh*

why do people type long essays on here? 

Bottom line is ps4 launched with less retail exclusives and the drove higher sales. That is a fact! 

DealWithIt#

Oh I didn't realize you were joking.

EDIT: And in case you aren't, you're saying that if KZ didn't release, knack would have sold a lot more.

Listen, if you just read something sometime, you wouldn't go spouting off sounding like you have no clue what you're talking about. But I'll save you the trouble, and give you the tl;dr: 'you got told'.


Maybe not Knack, but it would have raised the sales of other Playstation 3rd party games. Those 400,000 plus people would have to buy something. The thing is when you have more retail options available you give your customers more choice and those sales have a chance to spread out more to other games. If Microsoft only launched with RYSE and then the 3rd party games all those DR3 and Forza sales would have bought something else.



MB1025 said:
theprof00 said:
XxGame4lifexX said:

*sigh*

why do people type long essays on here? 

Bottom line is ps4 launched with less retail exclusives and the drove higher sales. That is a fact! 

DealWithIt#

Oh I didn't realize you were joking.

EDIT: And in case you aren't, you're saying that if KZ didn't release, knack would have sold a lot more.

Listen, if you just read something sometime, you wouldn't go spouting off sounding like you have no clue what you're talking about. But I'll save you the trouble, and give you the tl;dr: 'you got told'.


Maybe not Knack, but it would have raised the sales of other Playstation 3rd party games. Those 400,000 plus people would have to buy something. The thing is when you have more retail options available you give your customers more choice and those sales have a chance to spread out more to other games. If Microsoft only launched with RYSE and then the 3rd party games all those DR3 and Forza sales would have bought something else.

That's why there are 17 games on sale that are not exclusives, and why 3 games sold much higher. RIght, customers have to buy something. Exclusives are not forced on people.



theprof00 said:
Jereel Hunter said:
theprof00 said:
Jereel Hunter said:

Is there.... any other reason to buy one? All the multi-plats are available on X1 and on the previous gen systems... If you don't care about any exclusives, there's probably no reason to buy a next gen system, yet. Most people will buy 1 exclusive, even if they aren't psyched about it, just to justify their purchase.

YOu mean instead of xbox?

Price.

I mean, at all. Yes, price is a reason to get it instead of an X1, if you must have one. But if there isn't a single exclusive you want, then there's little real incentive to even get a PS4/Xbox yet. For most people, even the early adopters, there is at least 1 launch exclusive to make someone purchase the system. 

That's wishful thinking on your part.

People buy new gen consoles because the graphical difference is substantial.

Don't pretend like there isn't a reason to get a ps4. Not only is it HOT to have a new console, especially the ps4 with all the word of mouth and difficulty in getting one. YOu don't need an exclusive to buy the console, as you can plainly see by loooking what the top sellers are.

Guess what the best selling game early in 360's life was? call of duty 2. People upgraded in order to play a multiplat.

The only exclusives here were perfect dark zero, kameo, and pgr, yet neither of them managed to exceed 220k in the first week, and the very best was 300k in a month.

Only three exclusives out of that list.

You see, it's not exclusivity that sells. It's the games. Perfect Dark Zero was an 81 metacritic, PGR was 88, and kameo was 79, yet the best selling was not pgr, it was perfect dark. Why? Because it was made by the same people that made goldeneye. So you see, it's not about exclusivity. It's about desirability. PGR was the highest rated game in that whole group.

Every multiplat on there was also on ps2 and xbox. Yet multiplats outsold the exclusives on xbox360.

Just listen to the facts: Every multiplat that outsold exclusives were on average rated lower than the exclusives. That should tell you something.

People upgrade because they want to. Not because of exclusive games. Perfect Dark just so happened to be an exclusive. Even had it not been exclusive, people would have still bought it because it would have looked infinitely better than the other consoles. That's not to say they would have outsold the other console's sales, but that they would have sold well, and sold systems, which they did, like call of duty 2, need for speed most wanted, and madden. Funny how those three games represent 3 of the biggest franchises in gaming. It's not a coincidence they sold better.

I think there's a slight disconnect. Let's talk about this in context with where the conversation began:

I said it made sense that KZ outsold X1 exclusives, because it's the only good PS4 exclusive. You said exclusives aren't the reason people buy consoles. I asked why people buy consoles, and you said that they'd choose the PS4 because of price (compared to the X1)

But price isn't an absolute reason, it's a relative reason. If someone is asked to explain why they want a new console, the reason isn't "because it's $400". The reason is because it has cool games, or better graphics, or awesome features, etc. The price is only a factor in buying the system VS buying a more expensive system.

better graphics, new features, etc, are a selling point for both systems. And yes, some hardcore fans will buy one, for no other reason, just for multiplats they could play anyway. But at the end of the day exclusives are a draw, particularly next gen exclusives, and people will be more likely to splurge on an expensive system if there's one really shiny new game that can't be played elsewhere. (or try a game like KZ when they normally stick to CoD, if it's the best looking shooter on the system)

The fact that KZ is the only exclusive worth buying means it will sell more, merited or not. Your own comparision shows that:

KZ comparison:
(3 weeks)
KZ PS4: 459k (1.1m install base)
KZ2 PS3: 505k (40m install base)
KZ3 PS3: 431k (60m install base)

is KZ a mind blowing, epic, can't miss AAA plat that will go down in history? Not really. But oh look, over 40% of all PS4 buyers got one. Why? It's shiny, it's exclusive, and what else are you gonna do on PS4 that can't be done elsewhere? Play Knack?



Great, K: SF deserved it, the only good game looking like a next gen game



Predictions for end of 2014 HW sales:

 PS4: 17m   XB1: 10m    WiiU: 10m   Vita: 10m

 

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I'm surprised that Ryse sold that few, but I'm not surprised Forza sold this much, to me it's the best looking X1 exclusive this far



g911turbo said:
 


It is a shame that Dead Rising 3 hasn't sold better (although it still has time to do so).   It really has been a fun game and better than Ryse in my opinion.  Can't comment on KZ yet, but I've hear much like Ryse it is more "show than go".

Funny thing is, the graphics in DR3 are still great.  I think people who give it a lot of shit haven't actually PLAYED it.  The more I've played the game the more I realize that.  Some of the scenes literally have hundreds and hundreds of zombies on screen at once.  The congestion is unreal and really makes you wonder how you are going to get from point A to B sometimes.  Using cars to get high ground etc. to stay alive.  Flares to move the crowd away from you to clear a path.  To me, it's what they wanted to achieve with DR2 but couldn't because of the hardware (Xbox 360).

Now the inventory system is still rage inducing at times, but I digress.  Overall really fun game.

No, its is very much "go" if you happen to like the killzone franchise and shooters in general.



Vikki said:
d21lewis said:
I'll use an old excuse I used to hear in the 7th gen. Microsoft fans aren't just into big first person shooters. The Xbox One fanbase is diverse so they purchase multiple genres....even though an FPS is the most purchased game on the system. PS4=ShooterStation.

The only reason Xbox was able to stay afloat is because of a shooter franchise, whereas Sony built the PlayStation on MANY different genres.


Actually Sony had more dudebro FPS than anybody. Killzone (the ultimate dudebro title) 1, 2, 3, 4, MAG, Socom, Resistance 1, 2, 3. All 1st party, all flops to one degree or another. Sony shall chase Halo forever....

 

Microsoft only has one 1sty party FPS (though it probably outsells all Sony's FPS combined)



Vikki said:
d21lewis said:
I'll use an old excuse I used to hear in the 7th gen. Microsoft fans aren't just into big first person shooters. The Xbox One fanbase is diverse so they purchase multiple genres....even though an FPS is the most purchased game on the system. PS4=ShooterStation.

The only reason Xbox was able to stay afloat is because of a shooter franchise, whereas Sony built the PlayStation on MANY different genres.

Yet the PS3's top 10 selling games of all time......

Gross stereotype btw....maybe the origional Xbox but the 360 had other genres, certainly Halo didn't need to carry the 360 like it did Xbox. And Kinect actually pulled its weight helping 360 sell for a solid 3 years and counting.....certainly not known for shooters lol



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

Great news.....but the tone of the thread is what exactly? Because surely there is some subtle message between the lines. My guess......

"PS exclusive outselling Xbox exclusive....haha"

When to me it says:

"Shoe is on other foot, PS gamers are a one trick pony, only buying shooters, where Xbox gamers buying variety".

"Given the meta, id say those sales are ill informed, given how both COD and BF4 are superior choices...critically speaking".



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles.