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PooperScooper said:
I was told by admin I can only call people idiots IF they indeed act idiotic. I believe putting words in my mouth is a form of idiocy.

 You are in the minority here, i have noticed that people on this site worship it like it can't make a mistake.  Here is how problems are resolved around here:

First: A problem arises.

Second: Everybody gets upset and speculates why said problem is occuring.

Third: Ioi finally shows up and tells everybody why he won't fix said problem.

Fourth:  Everybody accepts this and praises the site again.

Fifth: Repeat. 



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PooperScooper said:
Stever I didnt say where it came from. But again it doesnt matter if he raised UK and lowered Germany. It doesn't matter how big of a difference came out of it. What matters is he should stop shifting and changing. You say so yourself he wants to go off his samples. If he went by other trackers why do what he does? HE SHOULD GO OFF HIS SAMPLES!

Did you read my post that I was referring to? The one that would explain why he might not use his own samples, maybe because they aren't accurate enough yet? Europe is probably very touch and go, since it's probably harder to get reliable tracking numbers without enough of a sampling pool.

To quote myself (edited for clarity and to make it shorter):

My view of it is that the markets in Europe are much smaller than the US market (relative to the total NA market). Take a look at this chart. The Total Others market as a whole is about as big as the NA market, but each market is much smaller, and GFK and ChartTrack (as far as I know) track each country separately, and I believe it was GFK that said they tracked 80% of Germany's market. Germany as a whole is much smaller than US, so it's 80% could be very accurate, compared to NPD estimated 60% of the US market. Also, if you're off by 100k in Germany, it's nearly 10% of the entire market (all the consoles added together) at this time. If you're off 100k in the US, it's only less than 1% of any console, and much less the entire market. The fact that he's 60k less on the PS3 is hardly that big in the scope of things.

Basically what I'm trying to say is that he probably doesn't have a very good coverage of Europe, and combine that with the smaller market, he has more reasons to change those numbers, whereas in US he probably has a better coverage, and it's a bigger market.

To sum it up, if he lacks good samples of the Europe market, his numbers might not be that great. As for the US, he might have a good amount of samples, and they are probably more accurate (as has been shown in the past), and so he has no reason to adjust them. As such, though he may like to go by his own samples and numbers, he knows (and we all know) that his numbers are only as good as the samples he has behind them. If he only covers 10% of the stores in Germany, he might not get a very good picture of sales. 10% of the stores in the US would actually be much better, since the market is so much larger. It's very hard to explain, but it has to do with deviations and averages, and the greater the sample relative to the market, the better. But the bigger the market, the better the sample should be even at smaller percentages because it covers a wider range of samples.



Did something happen to the thread, it seems kind of wonky after page 9



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

@Avinash - Spammers. They deleted the posts though. It doesn't correct the pages though.



Ah cool, also Stever your attempts to try and explain why ioi shouldn't adjust to NPD's figures is an exercise in futility, some people are going to always think that NPD is more trustworthy even though VGC is more transparent, and has recently had a better track record in hardware



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

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Auron said:
PooperScooper said:
I was told by admin I can only call people idiots IF they indeed act idiotic. I believe putting words in my mouth is a form of idiocy.

You are in the minority here, i have noticed that people on this site worship it like it can't make a mistake. Here is how problems are resolved around here:

First: A problem arises.

Second: Everybody gets upset and speculates why said problem is occuring.

Third: Ioi finally shows up and tells everybody why he won't fix said problem.

Fourth: Everybody accepts this and praises the site again.

Fifth: Repeat.


 No its more like.

First: Everyone bitches about the numbers

Second: Ioi finally shows up and says why he is happy with the current numbers

Third: Everyone bitches about the numbers

 

I think Ioi has accepted that no matter how he corrects the numbers and whether he follows other trackers leads or not (which I don't really think he should, at least not in Japan or NA - Europe is closely tracked by GFK and loosely tracked by Ioi so thats a bit different) a large portion of people are going to bitch anyway.



This thread goes forever,how sad is this,I'm not glad with these numbers like many people complaining here,but we have to stop insulting each other,I give a vote of confidence to ioi,I understand how angry this can be to many Sony fans,myself included even while a moderate fan,I really feel glad when Sony strikes back,even if happens for one month,but we don't have to fall in rage and make a holy cross against everyone,we have to calm down,chill out before all this ends so bad,I'm gonna trust in VGC,give as ioi another backing of confidence.Please,its useless to go mad anyway.



I'm happy with the way ioi tracks and updates his numbers. If he requires an update, (This months NPD), He'll look into it.

How do you think this site would look if ioi changes the numbers to suit NPD, then NPD change their numbers?? And who knows what changes NPD have made to past numbers that they've updated because of new shipping info from the big three... no one but paying customers know those updates as they happen.

When the big three release shipment details, we'll find out about numbers.

When ioi adjusts his numbers, he does so because he feels there is good reason to do so... not because a bunch of you whiners have a 'holyer then thou' attitude and think blindly about things.

What gives you the right to bitch about such a site as this? "Oh I am so Holy! I know more then ioi! I this, I that..."

Fricken looser... get a life and be happy ioi does such a damn fine job and provides the infomation to us for free.



It's me...  no really, it IS me!!!

Pretty funny how 360 and Wii beat PS3 the last 14 months in a row (not a joke, actually 14 months in a row) and these NPD threads averaged 2-3 pages during that time. Suddenly Sony wins and it's 13 pages long.

Seems some people like to ignore the NPD's when they're not winning I guess..



sharky said:
Pretty funny how 360 and Wii beat PS3 the last 14 months in a row (not a joke, actually 14 months in a row) and these NPD threads averaged 2-3 pages during that time. Suddenly Sony wins and it's 13 pages long.

Seems some people like to ignore the NPD's when they're not winning I guess..

 PS3 still came in behind Wii, and the issue isn't Sony sales, but rather whether VGC should adjust to match NPD figures



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)