ArtofAngels said: ExistentialNihilist said: ArtofAngels said: ExistentialNihilist said: I'm sure most have had some experience like this. The problem is when people circumvent their mental faculties in order to justify their insane belief systems. Most of these experiences happen when you're tired, so you're already in a compromised state - couple that with darkness, drugs, booze, etc and it's almost trivial to infer why they happen. They are fun hallucinations and nothing more. Anyone arguing to the contrary has a long road of establishing it. It could just be a hallucination as much the tree in your back yard could be. There's no way to measure whether or not someone is hallucinating unless you are the subject, therefore it takes experiencing something yourself to believe it. Everything is subjective, I am not religious but I know that what I have seen was not a hallucination any more than running water flows with gravity. The universe is a hologram, this in just today: http://www.nature.com/news/simulations-back-up-theory-that-universe-is-a-hologram-1.14328 Change your paradigm of thinking, science is. Clearly used your layman brain to interpret "Holographic Universe" as "hologram". It's simply an abstraction of the physical world based upon the mathematical computations. It has fuck all to do with holograms, hallucinations, or anything of the sort. Did you even read and comprehend the article? Stop wasting my time with this sophistry. Yeah you need to read up on quantum physics because it's obvious you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Keep living an arrogant and stale existence.  Please reserve your small minded and unfounded opinions to yourself and out of this thread.

So you did not read the article? Noted. Next time read the article for before citing it as some form of backing to your random suppositions.

"In 1997, theoretical physicist Juan Maldacena proposed1 that an audacious model of the Universe in which gravity arises from infinitesimally thin, vibrating strings could be reinterpreted in terms of well-established physics. The mathematically intricate world of strings, which exist in nine dimensions of space plus one of time, would be merely a hologram: the real action would play out in a simpler, flatter cosmos where there is no gravity."

This is not at all dissimilar from the realizations of Kant hundreds of years ago in the form of Transcendental Idealism in that what we see is limited by our perception and that objective reality (noumena) is unable to be realized.

ExistentialNihilist said: NNN2004 said: ExistentialNihilist said: I'm sure most have had some experience like this. The problem is when people circumvent their mental faculties in order to justify their insane belief systems. Most of these experiences happen when you're tired, so you're already in a compromised state - couple that with darkness, drugs, booze, etc and it's almost trivial to infer why they happen. They are fun hallucinations and nothing more. Anyone arguing to the contrary has a long road of establishing it. Some people caught paranormal activities in cameras so is the cameras have hallucinations too ?!  Oh my god there is a spec of dust on the lens of the camera, it's an orb a ghost! You are either joking or extremely gullible.

Why would he be joking or extremely gullible?

JakDaSnack said: ExistentialNihilist said: NNN2004 said: ExistentialNihilist said: I'm sure most have had some experience like this. The problem is when people circumvent their mental faculties in order to justify their insane belief systems. Most of these experiences happen when you're tired, so you're already in a compromised state - couple that with darkness, drugs, booze, etc and it's almost trivial to infer why they happen. They are fun hallucinations and nothing more. Anyone arguing to the contrary has a long road of establishing it. Some people caught paranormal activities in cameras so is the cameras have hallucinations too ?!  Oh my god there is a spec of dust on the lens of the camera, it's an orb a ghost! You are either joking or extremely gullible. Why would he be joking or extremely gullible?

Really? That's a serious question?

Do some skeptical analysis, instead of simply gathering any fragment of hope you can possibly muster. Lol

YouKnow said: JakDaSnack said: ExistentialNihilist said: NNN2004 said: ExistentialNihilist said: I'm sure most have had some experience like this. The problem is when people circumvent their mental faculties in order to justify their insane belief systems. Most of these experiences happen when you're tired, so you're already in a compromised state - couple that with darkness, drugs, booze, etc and it's almost trivial to infer why they happen. They are fun hallucinations and nothing more. Anyone arguing to the contrary has a long road of establishing it. Some people caught paranormal activities in cameras so is the cameras have hallucinations too ?!  Oh my god there is a spec of dust on the lens of the camera, it's an orb a ghost! You are either joking or extremely gullible. Why would he be joking or extremely gullible? Really? That's a serious question? Do some skeptical analysis, instead of simply gathering any fragment of hope you can possibly muster. Lol

I find it interesting that you are avoiding the question.

ArtofAngels said: ChristianTheAtheist said: Something happened to me last Thursday when I was driving home. I had a couple of miles to go... I looked up and saw a glowing orange object in the sky, to the east. It was moving very irregularly... suddenly there was intense light all around me and when I came to, I was home. What do you think happened to me? Wait what? So recently you claim this happened. Did you take note of the time? Have you told anyone else this story or just here in this thread?

around 1:28

JerCotter7 said: ChristianTheAtheist said: JerCotter7 said: I did but its nothing like ghosts or anything like that. It was just a medical thing that no one could explain why it happened. It is sort of what you asked. Care to elaborate a little? If you'r not sensitive about it of course. Chondrosarcoma. Unlike most types this has no known cause. Just luck of the draw. About 3 in every million. I should do the lottery.

Oh, that's hardcore. How did everything turn out? I guess they removed it, right?

Yup.

Out of body experiences/Astral travelling: About 25 times over a span of 4 years. Whilst practicing celibacy. Always during the early morning hours - before the sun rises.

Saw strange beings 3 times during these adventures.

Went outside the earth globe and space looked way different to what science explained.

This is what I experienced. I'm a science man and I usually call BS most of the time when people start talking about things like this, but I was sober as sober can be, celibate and very clear headed when all this happened.

ChristianTheAtheist said: JerCotter7 said: ChristianTheAtheist said: JerCotter7 said: I did but its nothing like ghosts or anything like that. It was just a medical thing that no one could explain why it happened. It is sort of what you asked. Care to elaborate a little? If you'r not sensitive about it of course. Chondrosarcoma. Unlike most types this has no known cause. Just luck of the draw. About 3 in every million. I should do the lottery. Oh, that's hardcore. How did everything turn out? I guess they removed it, right?

Yeah left proximal humerus is now titanium :)

I have woke up from a dream that made me cry... even though I know it was a dream....

that experience was so surreal for me....

I didn't even know why I was so emotional about the dream....

Dr.Grass said: Yup. Out of body experiences/Astral travelling: About 25 times over a span of 4 years. Whilst practicing celibacy. Always during the early morning hours - before the sun rises. Saw strange beings 3 times during these adventures. Went outside the earth globe and space looked way different to what science explained. This is what I experienced. I'm a science man and I usually call BS most of the time when people start talking about things like this, but I was sober as sober can be, celibate and very clear headed when all this happened.

So let me get this straight.

1) Nothing you saw had any basis in reality (space looked different, saw strange beings, etc)

2) Why is celibacy relevant?

3) Man of science, yet takes personal experience as evidence despite having no verification outside of self.

Yep, it's clear you'll never be a scientist in any sense of the word.

Astral Projection is hilariously conceptualized. If these out of body experiences were real, then the countless experiments (ONGOING ad infinitum) would turn up ONE single example of verification.

I'll cite just one example. 

http://www.horizonresearch.org/main_page.php?cat_id=38

"...they will also be testing the validity of out of body experiences and claims of being able to see and hear during cardiac arrest through the use of randomly generated hidden images that are not visible unless viewed from specific vantage points above."

So far, exactly as one might expect - jack shit. 

Time to begin skepticism with self...