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Cold-Flipper said:

Conina said:

There are different degrees of competition. The PS2 had competition, but it was weaker.

The Wii had strong competition, but they compensated that by adding an additional target audience: the casual gamers.

The WiiU has a very strong competition: not only the PS4 and XBO, but also the well supported PS3 and 360.

How are the PS4 / XBO bigger competition than the GC & XB?

PS4 + XBO + PS3 + 360, not only PS4 + XBO... that's a problem, Nintendo created itself by leaving the hardware race.

The PS2 had first only to compete against the DreamCast. After SEGA has given up, and the new competitors arrived, the position of the PS2 was already very strong, the Xbox was a newcomer and the GameCube brought nothing new to the table, lacked DVD compatibility and had problems to get enough 3rd party support.



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spurgeonryan said:
Cold-Flipper said:
I'll ask the same question I did in another thread:

What does Wii U have that 3DS doesn't that is worth $300?


Gamepad.

Actual cool Mario

Pikmin

Is a console.

Well, yes. You are technically correct but...

Gamepad: Most people don't care for.

Cool Mario: That's your opinion, most people will see 3D Land and be fine with that.

Pikmin: I am a fan but history shows, it isn't that big of an IP.

Console: That doesn't give it added value just because.



Well, for people like me, I do not really like handhelds that much. I will play them, but I would rather get my Nintendo as a console.

I heard many say the gamepad almost makes the system. So I am not sure about that. Saving it for a family present for Christmas.



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Vertigo-X said:

 Try bigger brands. GC was coming in off of N64 and Xbox was brand new. PS4/XBO have a lot more mindshare and brand than the 'other two' consoles in PS2's gen.

PS3 came from a massive brand after the success of the PS2. Yet, Wii will (likely) end up outselling it despite coming from the GC. My point? Most consumers don't actually have brand loyalty and will buy what they perceive to be the best product at the time. (Not only in gaming) 

If Nintendo had made a great console, with amazing value that got the publics attention, Wii U would be selling well reguardless of competition.

 

Conina said:

PS4 + XBO + PS3 + 360, not only PS4 + XBO... that's a problem, Nintendo created itself by leaving the hardware race.

The PS2 had first only to compete against the DreamCast. After SEGA has given up, and the new competitors arrived, the position of the PS2 was already very strong,

Wii U launched first just like the PS2. It also launched as the successor of the leader of the previous gen. (Like PS2) The other consoles (no matter how many) wouldn't matter had the Wii U been seen as an attractive buy in the public eye. Nintendo had the chance to position the Wii U in a strong position. They fumbled. It's that simple.



spurgeonryan said:
Well, for people like me, I do not really like handhelds that much. I will play them, but I would rather get my Nintendo as a console.

I heard many say the gamepad almost makes the system. So I am not sure about that. Saving it for a family present for Christmas.

I don't have a Wii U so I wouldn't know. Wii U & 3DS do share a lot of the same though and it's clear consumers don't find the Gamepad worthy enough to spend $300. They do however, see the 3DS as a good buy. 



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Cold-Flipper said:

Conina said:

PS4 + XBO + PS3 + 360, not only PS4 + XBO... that's a problem, Nintendo created itself by leaving the hardware race.

The PS2 had first only to compete against the DreamCast. After SEGA has given up, and the new competitors arrived, the position of the PS2 was already very strong,

Wii U launched first just like the PS2.

PS2 didn't launch first, DreamCast did.

And now the WiiU has some of the same problems, the DreamCast had: lack of third party support (EA for example) and an announcement of a competitor with MUCH stronger hardware only a few month after its launch (PS2 announcement for the DC; PS4 + XBO announcements for the WiiU).

The PS2 had no problem to show its hardware muscles... the difference to the existing games was obvious. The 3rd party support was also very good from the beginning.



zorg1000 said:
One thing I noticed about previous generations was that there was a big difference between Nintendo home and portable consoles.

GBC vs N64
GBA vs GC
DS vs Wii

In these 3 generations u had the primarily 2D handhelds and 3D consoles, also Touch vs Motion for DS/Wii.

Now with 3DS vs Wii U they are pretty similar, both have motion and touch capabilities and are much more similar im power than previous generations. Games like Ocarina of Time, Mario 64, etc werent possible on GB/GBC. Smash Bros, Metroid Prime, etc werent possible on GBA. Mario Galaxy, Wii Sports, etc werent possible on DS. But now u look at 3DS vs Wii U and the games are very similar.

Mario 3D Land vs Mario 3D World
New Super Mario 2 vs New Super Mario U
Ocarina of Time 3D vs Wind Waker HD
DKC Returns 3D vs DKC Tropical Freeze
Mario Kart 7 vs Mario Kart 8
Smash Bros 3DS vs Smash Bros Wii U

Also 3DS has other big franchises already like Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Kid Icarus, Fire Emblem. Price is a factor as well, 2DS-$129 vs Wii U-$299. If u have two 5-10 year old kids, buying two 2DS would be cheaper than getting a Wii U.


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KingdomHeartsFan said:

Way more competition in the home console space.


Exactly. The 3DS wouldn't be doing so hot were it to have some decent competition.



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Conina said:

PS2 didn't launch first, DreamCast did.

And now the WiiU has some of the same problems, the DreamCast had: lack of third party support (EA for example) and an announcement of a competitor with MUCH stronger hardware only a few month after its launch (PS2 announcement for the DC; PS4 + XBO announcements for the WiiU).

The PS2 had no problem to show its hardware muscles... the difference to the existing games was obvious. The 3rd party support was also very good from the beginning.

How could I do the DC dirty like that? Oh well.

You make very valid points but my stance remains. Either way, had the Wii U been a better value and caught the markets attention, Wii U would sell well reguardless of the competition which was my point. You have a product that people actually want, they will buy it even if the competition is tough. 

3DS is seen as the better value, simple as that. People don't go "I need to buy one HH system let me pick" we have smartphones, tablets, Laptops, and so on that can fill the want of a HH type system. 3DS is selling because people want to buy it. Nintendo has yet to make too many consumers actually want to own the Wii U.



Somini said:


Exactly. The 3DS wouldn't be doing so hot were it to have some decent competition.

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