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RG3Hunna on 03 December 2013
Metallicube said:
RG3Hunna said:
The wi was a fad, my mother, cousin and grandmother never gamed in their life yet they all owned a wi each. My office has a wi to play wi sports during our free time.

A lot of people who have no interest in video games purchased the wi. Sure some people who are die hard gamers purchased the wi, but majority of wi owners were not gamers and you're now seeing that translate with poor wi u sales.

The wi was an AMAZING console for what it did, the thing with fads is they are similar to hit songs, a lot of times its extremely difficult to find the 2nd (fad/hit record) .


For fucks sake.. The games industry and media has really brainwashed you all beyond hope of repair.. You hardcore litterally ALL have the EXACT SAME opinion, spouting off the exact. same. jargon.. constantly, like drones, with a hive mind. None of you use critical thinking. None of you think for yourselves.

The Wii was not a fucking fad, it was a games console that lived a healthy 5 years and sold 100 million units. If you call the Wii a fad, you have to call any console that has lasted 5 years a fad.

Basically, either ALL consoles are fads or none are. You cannot have your cake and eat it too, hardcore.

The wii was a fad, don't get me wrong it was a wonderful console. But the difference between the 100 million the ps2 sold and the 100 million the wii sold is gamers purchased the ps2 while grandparents, work offices, hospital offices, parents who don't game and girlfriends who don't game purchased the wii.

The one thing I give the wii credit for is it was a HUGE ice breaker, you bring a girl over to converse about life and play wii and the ice is immediately broken. lol



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EdHieron on 03 December 2013
ninetailschris said:
EdHieron said:
ninetailschris said:
Panicnausia said:
Metallicube said:

And who the hell made him god of the industry? Let the consumers decide if it's irreverent. It sure as hell isn't to me, as I just bought one, and have no plans on buying the overpriced machines from Sony or MS (which collectively have MAYBE one game worth checking out) until at least 2016.


One game checking out until 2016.......serously??

 

2014 alone:

 

Infamous

Uncharted

Titanfall

The order

The Division

Watch Dogs

Dragon Age inquisition

Drive Club

Destiny

Quantum Break

The Crew

Thief

The Witcher 3

 

to name a few.


He could have a PC were he would get half of those games. Plus Sony exclusive don't sell neary the level of third Party. Most people find there games irrelevant.


Sony's games have won more Game of the Year Awards in recent years than those by any other first party publisher.


Gta 4 got game awards. Game of the year are meaningless because nothing is objective.


GTA 4 deserved it.  It's right at the top of Top 25 Playstation 3 and Xbox 360 games.



EdHieron on 03 December 2013
ListerOfSmeg said:
STRYKIE said:
ninetailschris said:
Panicnausia said:
Metallicube said:

And who the hell made him god of the industry? Let the consumers decide if it's irreverent. It sure as hell isn't to me, as I just bought one, and have no plans on buying the overpriced machines from Sony or MS (which collectively have MAYBE one game worth checking out) until at least 2016.


One game checking out until 2016.......serously??

 

2014 alone:

 

Infamous

Uncharted

Titanfall

The order

The Division

Watch Dogs

Dragon Age inquisition

Drive Club

Destiny

Quantum Break

The Crew

Thief

The Witcher 3

 

to name a few.


He could have a PC were he would get half of those games. Plus Sony exclusive don't sell neary the level of third Party. Most people find there games irrelevant.

Although he certainly wouldn't be able to use a Wii U for any of them either.

 

The thing is, you're right, 3rd party > 1st party, and that's the fundamental problem, Nintendo is the only one here trying to play devil's advocate.

You wouldnt be able to use a single platform to play all of them either and watchdogs is on Wii U.

 

I always find it amusing that when people talk about games, they always have to use the game library from 2 competing consoles to make the Wii U look bad.

 

Like I could make the PS4 look really bad by comparing its library to PC and Wii u combined.

However nobody ever does that as most people are not that desperate

Also dont get mad about the valid point about Sony games. For a console with an install base of 80 million, few 1st party games achieve sales about 5 million without being bundled and or heavily discounted. Look at Last of us. its supposedly one of the best games of last generation yet its sales are extremely poor compared to SMG the other great game of last generation.


Sales aren't always an indicator of quality.  If they were then Backstreet Boys albums would deserve to be compared favoranly to the works of Lou Reed or Tom Waits but there are few top notch music critics that would do so.  Also "The Last of Us" 's sales are quite comparable to those of other games that are considered to be at the very top of the 7th Gen like Fallout 3 or Bioshock.



Mnementh on 03 December 2013

Yes, the WiiU is in a bad spot. And I don't believe it will recover. It will stay at low sales, just like the PS Vita. Should Nintendo go 3rd-party? The question should be get the same answer as the question if Sony should go 3rd-party over the failure of the Vita. Should Nintendo drop the price? As that helps sales it damages the financials, something that is more important for a company than to "win" over the competition.

I believe the WiiU will like the Dreamcast be seen as a cult-console later on. That will not make it successful now, but people will later brag about the cool games on the system. Because the WiiU has cool games. Not the same old same old COD, Battlefield and so on, but W101, Lego City, ZombiU, X and so on.

And no, Nintendo can survive a bad gen different to Sega. To be precise, the Dreamcast already was the second bad gen for Sega. And Sega had no profitable handheld to sustain the losses on the home console.

So, as short:
1. WiiU is a sales-failure.
2. That will not get massively better in the future.
3. WiiU has cool and outstanding games that are missing on different platforms.
4. Nintendo will not die over the failure of WiiU, and it will not go 3rd-party.



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RG3Hunna on 03 December 2013
keroncoward said:
gmcmen said:
nomad said:
gmcmen said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
nomad said:
gmcmen said:


I don't think it was a fad, because it had a normal life as a console (would you consider CDs or DVDs as a fad?). If Wii was a fad, then every past console were fads. Wii had a lasting effect on gaming, fads don't had long term effects.

Oh, fyi, the 'boy band' thing has been around for decades.


The Wii did not have a lasting effect on gaming. It was a fleeting love affair that never created real gamers. It was a petty trinket that the non-gamers used to pass the time and the throw away. If the Wii U created an Army the Wii U wouldnt be in the predicament that its in.


thank you, 100 million sold, yet nobody shows up to buy its successer,  sounds like a fad, unless none of those buyers enjoyed there wii, i live in florida you always here people talking about  ps4/xbone, nobody ever talks about the wiiu.


So, motion gaming doesn't count? I was not talking about WiiU, a successor doesn't hav to be it's only effect.


motion controls are a fad, sony got the memo, microsoft didn't, even the wiiu its just a tacked on gimmick, which nintendo games are using motion controls in a meaningful way on wiiu, take a guess.


Why is Sony still using the Camera and Move for their PS4 then? You guys just pick and choose whatever you like to support your nonsense argument. All that money they spent on R&D on the move and camera and they just plan to drop support? That will surely piss whatever remaining investors they have. Lets see who goes third party first.

Nobody is saying there isn't a market for motion controls or camera capablities, what we're saying is majority of hard core gamers do not care about that. Look at the kinect for example, that single device has pissed off so many hardcore microsoft loyal fans because they do not care about the device/feature yet it is being shoved down their throat. 

Lets face it the industry/consumers is/are becoming full of graphic whores whether we want to believe it or not, graphics matter. If nintendo want's to compete with sony and microsoft in the future they are going to have to bolster their hardware because hard core gamers like to play their multiplats on the console that is going to give them the best looking game. The years of "Graphics don't matter" are dwindling very fast and if nintendo doesn't catch up they are going to be left behind. 

Kids of our generation who grew up playing great games without spectacular visuals are getting older or retiring from gaming while the new generation are being raised on 1080p 60 frame per second type games and they're never going back.  (battlefield 4)(killzone)(forza)



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KingofTrolls on 03 December 2013
curl-6 said:
mutantclown said:
curl-6 said:

So the 3DS and PS3 are irrelevant? They did poorly early on.


They never stopped getting FULL third party support, did they? 

Nobody buys Nintendo consoles for the third party games.

Ok, now lets see how many ppl buys Wii U for 1st party games..



EdHieron on 03 December 2013
Devil_Survivor said:
EdHieron said:
ninetailschris said:
Panicnausia said:
Metallicube said:

And who the hell made him god of the industry? Let the consumers decide if it's irreverent. It sure as hell isn't to me, as I just bought one, and have no plans on buying the overpriced machines from Sony or MS (which collectively have MAYBE one game worth checking out) until at least 2016.


One game checking out until 2016.......serously??

 

2014 alone:

 

Infamous

Uncharted

Titanfall

The order

The Division

Watch Dogs

Dragon Age inquisition

Drive Club

Destiny

Quantum Break

The Crew

Thief

The Witcher 3

 

to name a few.


He could have a PC were he would get half of those games. Plus Sony exclusive don't sell neary the level of third Party. Most people find there games irrelevant.


Sony's games have won more Game of the Year Awards in recent years than those by any other first party publisher.


Got a source on that or is that just your massive biased opinion?


Uncharted 2 won Game of the Year here on VGchartz in 2009, Uncharted 3 was nominated for Spike TV's Video Game Awards Game of the Year in 2011 ( No Xbox Exclusive was nominated for the award http://www.spike.com/articles/3ni61d/video-game-awards-video-game-awards-announces-2011-game-of-the-year-most-anticipated-game-nominees ).  Journey won IGN's Overall Game of the Year in 2012 ( .http://www.ign.com/wikis/best-of-2012/Best_Overall_Game )



brendude13 on 03 December 2013

Hmmm. To defend, or not to defend.



EdHieron on 03 December 2013
curl-6 said:
gmcmen said:
curl-6 said:
gmcmen said:

I never said the wii doesn't count, but just by going trough every console generation, except the 7th gen, every console with out strong third party support sold poorly, and look it continues going back to the same trend.

It is the general rule, yes. 
Every rule has its exceptions. (The Wii) 


the wii was a fad imo, people have completely forgetten about as it never existed, it's succesor the wii u is at a great price, 299,99, with much better games in its first year, hd graphics, and a gamepad controller, yet where is the dedicated fans, you can easily argue, that 249,99 7 years ago =299,99 today.

The Wii lasted a normal console lifespan. A fad would have fizzled out in 2009.


It started to fizzle out in 2009.



RandomK on 03 December 2013
Panicnausia said:
Metallicube said:

And who the hell made him god of the industry? Let the consumers decide if it's irreverent. It sure as hell isn't to me, as I just bought one, and have no plans on buying the overpriced machines from Sony or MS (which collectively have MAYBE one game worth checking out) until at least 2016.


One game checking out until 2016.......serously??

 

2014 alone:

 

Infamous

Uncharted

Titanfall

The order

The Division

Watch Dogs

Dragon Age inquisition

Drive Club

Destiny

Quantum Break

The Crew

Thief

The Witcher 3

 

to name a few.

Hmm. Only decent games there are infamous, uncharted and watch dogs. Did you list every announced game or something? Half the board probably hasn't even heard of many of them...