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kowenicki said:
superchunk said:
Still haven't found anyone I know personally who's willing to keep one. My brother had one for a year and couldn't wait to get back to Android. (now has Galaxy S4) However, that new commercial focused on the camera... darn good commercial.


thats useful anecdotal evidence in the face of concrete evidence of the doubling marketshare...


I think "doubling" is a bit of a misconception here. It grew 2.5% (US). Android grew by double that % in the same timeframe (in US).

Fact is Windows phones is showing very minor growth unlike iOS and Android did when they entered the market respectively. Both shot up very rapidly and Android continues to grow at a pace that is higher than Windows (or anyone else).



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superchunk said:
kowenicki said:
superchunk said:
Still haven't found anyone I know personally who's willing to keep one. My brother had one for a year and couldn't wait to get back to Android. (now has Galaxy S4) However, that new commercial focused on the camera... darn good commercial.


thats useful anecdotal evidence in the face of concrete evidence of the doubling marketshare...


I think "doubling" is a bit of a misconception here. It grew 2.5% (US). Android grew by double that % in the same timeframe (in US).

Fact is Windows phones is showing very minor growth unlike iOS and Android did when they entered the market respectively. Both shot up very rapidly and Android continues to grow at a pace that is higher than Windows (or anyone else).

Why do you (or anyone for the matter) expect major fast growth anyway? The most Windows phone can achieve is like 20% WW, in getting to that goal it is going up fast.



 

superchunk said:
Still haven't found anyone I know personally who's willing to keep one. My brother had one for a year and couldn't wait to get back to Android. (now has Galaxy S4) However, that new commercial focused on the camera... darn good commercial.

my brother had one, tell me it works fantastic. his major complaint is the lack of good apps though.



bananaking21 said:
superchunk said:
Still haven't found anyone I know personally who's willing to keep one. My brother had one for a year and couldn't wait to get back to Android. (now has Galaxy S4) However, that new commercial focused on the camera... darn good commercial.

my brother had one, tell me it works fantastic. his major complaint is the lack of good apps though.


That was my brother's main issue. He simply couldn't use it in a fashion he wanted and he also said the layout was a bit more of a pain than his iOS or Android experience (he's now owned all three OSs for significant time frames).



These are 'fantastic results'? Of course the market share percentage was going to rise because they started from basically nothing, but it still looks to me like it's completely irrelevant in the US and Chinese markets.

It's doing so so in Europe, but Android seems to dominate there.



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Seece said:

Why do you (or anyone for the matter) expect major fast growth anyway? The most Windows phone can achieve is like 20% WW, in getting to that goal it is going up fast.

I don't expect it to grow fast at all. I expect it to continue these marginal growths until it tops out at a relatively low marketshare and then actually decrease just as iOS has done.

I expect Blackberry to finally go away soon.

I expect Android to continue growing at levels that are much higher than anyone else and eventually hit 60%~70% total where it levels out.

I expect this to be mirrord in long run in tablet market as well.

I also expect this to eventually play out in the PC market as Chromebooks and Android make that eventual merge of ecosystems, thus making a true competitor to Windows dominance, but with better software and more hardware choices that Apple seems to never allow.



superchunk said:
bananaking21 said:
superchunk said:
Still haven't found anyone I know personally who's willing to keep one. My brother had one for a year and couldn't wait to get back to Android. (now has Galaxy S4) However, that new commercial focused on the camera... darn good commercial.

my brother had one, tell me it works fantastic. his major complaint is the lack of good apps though.


That was my brother's main issue. He simply couldn't use it in a fashion he wanted and he also said the layout was a bit more of a pain than his iOS or Android experience (he's now owned all three OSs for significant time frames).

well my brother seems to prefer the andriod layout, but he seems to be liking the windows layout even more as time passes by. from what i understand is the andriod layout is more flexible and adjustable, the windows one isnt, and its kind of odd at times, havent used it much but thats what i understand. however the OS doesnt lag, is fast and has great battery consumption. Personally i like andriod, and find it as the best OS (every time i tried iOS i hated it). but from what i hear i would recommend windows phone to somebody who doesnt care about apps a lot. 



kowenicki said:


Its marketshare has more than doubled in most markets

I'm sorry but you can say what you want.... its a fact.  In a rising market thats impressive, the absolute numbers wil be up by more than double

To say it isn't impressive is churlish.

But then you like to downplay windows mobile for some odd reason.

 

4 times the sales.... of what 4 overall in the beginning? I hate when PR firms use things like "n times" or "% increase"... I want raw numbers.

WinPhone was selling like real crap. After all, they were barely 1% of the entire market previously. So a "4 times" increase is what... 2% of the market? While I'm sure any uptick is good for the company and frankly their new commercials are really done well. But until I see them hitting 10% of the market... they are still dead.

 

well they now are managing 10% of the market in many Euro countries recently so... not dead then?

You used an old quote of mine that is still relavant.. you're still using % and doubling etc... not real numbers. 

FACT is Android, which is a lot larger and takes a lot more sales to increase a market %, still more than doubled Windows market % growth in the same time frame.

Any growth is good, but going crazy about it at this point is meh.



bananaking21 said:

well my brother seems to prefer the andriod layout, but he seems to be liking the windows layout even more as time passes by. from what i understand is the andriod layout is more flexible and adjustable, the windows one isnt, and its kind of odd at times, havent used it much but thats what i understand. however the OS doesnt lag, is fast and has great battery consumption. Personally i like andriod, and find it as the best OS (every time i tried iOS i hated it). but from what i hear i would recommend windows phone to somebody who doesnt care about apps a lot. 

Buying a good Android set wil prevent you from having poor battery life or lagging. Problem is too many people get the free low-end versions with three year old tech and small batteries.

However, in general, yes the winphone OS (and iOS) is more efficient than Android. Kind of a give and take considering Android is far more flexible and open.



kowenicki said:

the market is bigger year on year yes?  so an increasing market share % can only mean an even bigger increasing absolute number... thats obvious.

market share is now 5 times bigger in many regions what it was 18 months ago and it has overtaken Apple in some regions.

How can this be anything other than impressive?

Who is going crazy?  we are just saying its impressive.  No caps, no exclamation marks, no "AWESOME"

Being negative about it at this point is meh, churlish or just pissed off at MS making proress.  Which are you?

I was being meh about it, not negative, then four of you quoted me in primarily defensive tones and I responded with my opinions.

As I said. Growth is good, new commercials are very good, but I still don't know anyone who wants one; the only person who tried one, went to Android (he used iOS before win).