Vikki said:
Over his first term he definitely did. And in what way is the New Party a communist Party? o.O |
1)no he didnt.
2) they admit to being such?
Vikki said:
Over his first term he definitely did. And in what way is the New Party a communist Party? o.O |
1)no he didnt.
2) they admit to being such?
SocialistSlayer said:
at boled no he didnt. New Party - chicago. communist party, he was a member of. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_policy_of_Barack_Obama#Taxation
Now a days Obama is about as close to being a communist as I am to being a talking sofa.
SocialistSlayer said:
i couldnt care less what the republican label of him is. most of the republican establishment are progressives. i hate progressive, i dont care what party they beling to. |
If you seriously think Obama is a communist then you don't know what a communist is. David Cameron (UK PM) is to the Left of Obama, and he's part of the UK Conservative Party. I'd rather have Cameron than Obama any day.
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bouzane said:
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Eh, that's the thing though. Corportism isn't a conservative economic belief.
If you'll note, when it came down to a vote to bail out Wallstreet... it failed the first couple times due to Republicans voting against it.
SocialistSlayer said:
i couldnt care less what the republican label of him is. most of the republican establishment are progressives. i hate progressive, i dont care what party they beling to. |
No leftist democratic party encourages neo-Conservative military actions, implements a corporate healthcare system and continues to shrink the middle class. If the Republicans and Obama are progressives I would hate to see what Canadian and European liberal parties are.
Kasz216 said:
Eh, that's the thing though. Corportism isn't a conservative economic belief. If you'll note, when it came down to a vote to bail out Wallstreet... it failed the first couple times due to Republicans voting against it. |
umm, yes it kind of is (At least in the sense that conservatism typically supports free enterprise with little regulation and low taxes, not as in Mussolini Corporatism). The democrats aren't very Liberal and the Republicans are simply being obstructionist like they have been for many years.
bouzane said:
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so that means today i not only discovered we have girls on these forums (vikki), we also have a sofa.
my point stands
Leadified said:
If Obama was the leader of any other developed country then he would be without any doubt be in a Conservative party. The Republican label that he is a liberal is to hide how similiar his policies are to the Republicans. Infact just look at the policies of Roland Regan and compare them to Obama, you'll be suprised. |
I wouldn't bet on it. Europeon countries are more rightwing then the US in a LOT of areas.
They just aren't areas we focus on.
For example... just about everything the Patriot Act did already exists in europe.
Various bannings of specific religious faiths, laws designed to make europe less hospitable. (or in France's case. laws be damned).
Sexual Harrassment, in most european countries only "Sleep with me or your fired" counts as sexual harassment more or less.
Europe is more conservative in a number of ways, which i could break down by pages, espeically going into specific cases...
Espiecally France, holy shit. France is so right wing it's scary, yet everyone ignores it because they like to tax rich people.
Kasz216 said:
They just aren't areas we focus on. For example... just about everything the Patriot Act did already exists in europe. Various bannings of specific religious faiths, laws designed to make europe less hospitable. (or in France's case. laws be damned). Sexual Harrassment, in most european countries only "Sleep with me or your fired" counts as sexual harassment more or less. Europe is more conservative in a number of ways, which i could break down by pages, espeically going into specific cases...
Espiecally France, holy shit. France is so right wing it's scary, yet everyone ignores it because they like to tax rich people. |
Go north of France to countires like the Netherlands, Belgium, the whole of Scandanavia, the UK and Obama would be laughed out of parliament if he called himself left leaning.
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SocialistSlayer said:
so that means today i not only discovered we have girls on these forums (vikki), we also have a sofa. my point stands |
No, your point doesn't stand. Obama's current policies directly contradict many essential tenants of Communism. A Communist would most definitely not support GMOs with anything resembling the Monsanto Protection Act. How on earth are Obama's tax policies progressive in the slightest? No offense but with such an asinine username I didn't expect much logical discourse but I know that nobody can be stupid enough to actually believe that Obama is a Communist. The odd socialist leaning a Communist does not make.