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Vikki said:
SocialistSlayer said:
Vikki said:
SocialistSlayer said:
Vikki said:
SocialistSlayer said:
Vikki said:
SocialistSlayer said:
Vikki said:
Figgycal said:
SocialistSlayer said:
Mr Puggsly said:

economic policy? 

expanding the welfare state, lengthening unemployement benefits. Socialized heathcare. increasing taxes on everybody, especially higher income earners. "spreading the weath around" he was a member of a communist party. increasing spending on everything, at a higher rate than anybody before him. him continually proping up business that the government seems worthy, especially of the "green" variety. most/all turning out to be economicall unsolvible.

These are all true. But he's still a conservative. Americans seem to have this very black and white view of politics. They seem to think you're either liberal or conservative, which is a load of crap. You can have some conservative values and still be liberal. You can have some liberal values, like Obama does, but still be a conservative.

The only true liberals to really run for president in the US in recent memory have been the likes of Jill Stein and Ralph Nader.

you seem to not know what the word conservative means

In the rest of the world, conservatism can endore the wellfare state. Even in the 1960's, British conservatives loved the idea of a wellfare state. Obama also cut taxes for middle class families. I'd like to see this proof that Obama was a member of a communist party, even if he was, views can change. 

Obama has kept troops in Afghan longer than he promised and is going to have them in there for much longer. He's increased drone strikes. He's pursued more whistleblowers than Bush did. He kept Guantanimo Bay open. He's kept the USA's hypocritical foreign policies against Cuba open. He's kept the US aggressive and hypocritical foreign policy and general going. 

If he was progressive he would stop this ridiculous drug law which has been failling for decades.

He is not a progressive.

at boled no he didnt.

New Party - chicago. communist party, he was a member of.

Over his first term he definitely did.

And in what way is the New Party a communist Party? o.O


1)no he didnt.

2) they admit to being such?



 

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SocialistSlayer said:
Vikki said:
SocialistSlayer said:
Vikki said:
SocialistSlayer said:
Vikki said:
SocialistSlayer said:
Vikki said:
Figgycal said:
SocialistSlayer said:
Mr Puggsly said:

economic policy? 

expanding the welfare state, lengthening unemployement benefits. Socialized heathcare. increasing taxes on everybody, especially higher income earners. "spreading the weath around" he was a member of a communist party. increasing spending on everything, at a higher rate than anybody before him. him continually proping up business that the government seems worthy, especially of the "green" variety. most/all turning out to be economicall unsolvible.

These are all true. But he's still a conservative. Americans seem to have this very black and white view of politics. They seem to think you're either liberal or conservative, which is a load of crap. You can have some conservative values and still be liberal. You can have some liberal values, like Obama does, but still be a conservative.

The only true liberals to really run for president in the US in recent memory have been the likes of Jill Stein and Ralph Nader.

you seem to not know what the word conservative means

In the rest of the world, conservatism can endore the wellfare state. Even in the 1960's, British conservatives loved the idea of a wellfare state. Obama also cut taxes for middle class families. I'd like to see this proof that Obama was a member of a communist party, even if he was, views can change. 

Obama has kept troops in Afghan longer than he promised and is going to have them in there for much longer. He's increased drone strikes. He's pursued more whistleblowers than Bush did. He kept Guantanimo Bay open. He's kept the USA's hypocritical foreign policies against Cuba open. He's kept the US aggressive and hypocritical foreign policy and general going. 

If he was progressive he would stop this ridiculous drug law which has been failling for decades.

He is not a progressive.

at boled no he didnt.

New Party - chicago. communist party, he was a member of.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_policy_of_Barack_Obama#Taxation

Now a days Obama is about as close to being a communist as I am to being a talking sofa.



SocialistSlayer said:
Leadified said:
SocialistSlayer said:
Vikki said:
SocialistSlayer said:
 

economic policy? 

expanding the welfare state, lengthening unemployement benefits. Socialized heathcare. increasing taxes on everybody, especially higher income earners. "spreading the weath around" he was a member of a communist party. increasing spending on everything, at a higher rate than anybody before him. him continually proping up business that the government seems worthy, especially of the "green" variety. most/all turning out to be economicall unsolvible.

These are all true. But he's still a conservative. Americans seem to have this very black and white view of politics. They seem to think you're either liberal or conservative, which is a load of crap. You can have some conservative values and still be liberal. You can have some liberal values, like Obama does, but still be a conservative.

The only true liberals to really run for president in the US in recent memory have been the likes of Jill Stein and Ralph Nader.

you seem to not know what the word conservative means

If Obama was the leader of any other developed country then he would be without any doubt be in a Conservative party. The Republican label that he is a liberal is to hide how similiar his policies are to the Republicans. Infact just look at the policies of Roland Regan and compare them to Obama, you'll be suprised.


what political viewpoints of his could possibly be construed as conservative. in any other part of the world he be part of a leftist party weather it be labour, communist or whatever. 

i couldnt care less what the republican label of him is. most of the republican establishment are progressives. i hate progressive, i dont care what party they beling to.

If you seriously think Obama is a communist then you don't know what a communist is. David Cameron (UK PM) is to the Left of Obama, and he's part of the UK Conservative Party. I'd rather have Cameron than Obama any day.



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bouzane said:
SocialistSlayer said:
Vikki said:
Figgycal said:
SocialistSlayer said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Some of the questions on this are ridiculous.

"Our race has many superior qualities, compared with other races."

"All people have their rights, but it is better for all of us that different sorts of people should keep to their own kind."

My guess is if you say "Strongly Agree" to those, you're right wing. I'm not gonna even bother finishing this crap.

yep. its ridiculous.

and their scale i just egregious. i mean look how they place people.

Obama's and Pope Benedict's placements confuse me.

That is their true placement. Obama is a conservative. He may have some liberal social values but he is first and foremost a conservative. Read their FAQ http://www.politicalcompass.org/faq

yeah sure he's a conservative. i guess if you start the scale in the middle, and leave out the entire left side.

by no definition of the word is he a conservative.


Obama's stance on taxes, environmentalism and corporatism are all conservative. Personally, I would place Obama somewhere above the center on that graph.

Regarding my political ideology, I would place myself almost all the way to the Left and about half way toward Libertarianism. I myself am a Libertarian Communist.

Eh, that's the thing though.  Corportism isn't a conservative economic belief.

If you'll note, when it came down to a vote to bail out Wallstreet... it failed the first couple times due to Republicans voting against it.



SocialistSlayer said:
Leadified said:

If Obama was the leader of any other developed country then he would be without any doubt be in a Conservative party. The Republican label that he is a liberal is to hide how similiar his policies are to the Republicans. Infact just look at the policies of Roland Regan and compare them to Obama, you'll be suprised.


what political viewpoints of his could possibly be construed as conservative. in any other part of the world he be part of a leftist party weather it be labour, communist or whatever. 

i couldnt care less what the republican label of him is. most of the republican establishment are progressives. i hate progressive, i dont care what party they beling to.

No leftist democratic party encourages neo-Conservative military actions, implements a corporate healthcare system and continues to shrink the middle class. If the Republicans and Obama are progressives I would hate to see what Canadian and European liberal parties are.



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Kasz216 said:
bouzane said:
SocialistSlayer said:
Vikki said:
Figgycal said:
SocialistSlayer said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Some of the questions on this are ridiculous.

"Our race has many superior qualities, compared with other races."

"All people have their rights, but it is better for all of us that different sorts of people should keep to their own kind."

My guess is if you say "Strongly Agree" to those, you're right wing. I'm not gonna even bother finishing this crap.

yep. its ridiculous.

and their scale i just egregious. i mean look how they place people.

Obama's and Pope Benedict's placements confuse me.

That is their true placement. Obama is a conservative. He may have some liberal social values but he is first and foremost a conservative. Read their FAQ http://www.politicalcompass.org/faq

yeah sure he's a conservative. i guess if you start the scale in the middle, and leave out the entire left side.

by no definition of the word is he a conservative.


Obama's stance on taxes, environmentalism and corporatism are all conservative. Personally, I would place Obama somewhere above the center on that graph.

Regarding my political ideology, I would place myself almost all the way to the Left and about half way toward Libertarianism. I myself am a Libertarian Communist.

Eh, that's the thing though.  Corportism isn't a conservative economic belief.

If you'll note, when it came down to a vote to bail out Wallstreet... it failed the first couple times due to Republicans voting against it.


umm, yes it kind of is (At least in the sense that conservatism typically supports free enterprise with little regulation and low taxes, not as in Mussolini Corporatism). The democrats aren't very Liberal and the Republicans are simply being obstructionist like they have been for many years.



bouzane said:
SocialistSlayer said:
Vikki said:
SocialistSlayer said:
Vikki said:
SocialistSlayer said:
Vikki said:
SocialistSlayer said:
Vikki said:
Figgycal said:
SocialistSlayer said:
Mr Puggsly said:

economic policy? 

expanding the welfare state, lengthening unemployement benefits. Socialized heathcare. increasing taxes on everybody, especially higher income earners. "spreading the weath around" he was a member of a communist party. increasing spending on everything, at a higher rate than anybody before him. him continually proping up business that the government seems worthy, especially of the "green" variety. most/all turning out to be economicall unsolvible.

These are all true. But he's still a conservative. Americans seem to have this very black and white view of politics. They seem to think you're either liberal or conservative, which is a load of crap. You can have some conservative values and still be liberal. You can have some liberal values, like Obama does, but still be a conservative.

The only true liberals to really run for president in the US in recent memory have been the likes of Jill Stein and Ralph Nader.

you seem to not know what the word conservative means

In the rest of the world, conservatism can endore the wellfare state. Even in the 1960's, British conservatives loved the idea of a wellfare state. Obama also cut taxes for middle class families. I'd like to see this proof that Obama was a member of a communist party, even if he was, views can change. 

Obama has kept troops in Afghan longer than he promised and is going to have them in there for much longer. He's increased drone strikes. He's pursued more whistleblowers than Bush did. He kept Guantanimo Bay open. He's kept the USA's hypocritical foreign policies against Cuba open. He's kept the US aggressive and hypocritical foreign policy and general going. 

If he was progressive he would stop this ridiculous drug law which has been failling for decades.

He is not a progressive.

at boled no he didnt.

New Party - chicago. communist party, he was a member of.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_policy_of_Barack_Obama#Taxation

Now a days Obama is about as close to being a communist as I am to being a talking sofa.

so that means today i not only discovered we have girls on these forums (vikki), we also have a sofa.

my point stands



 

Leadified said:
SocialistSlayer said:
Vikki said:
SocialistSlayer said:
 

economic policy? 

 

 

 



If Obama was the leader of any other developed country then he would be without any doubt be in a Conservative party. The Republican label that he is a liberal is to hide how similiar his policies are to the Republicans. Infact just look at the policies of Roland Regan and compare them to Obama, you'll be suprised.


I wouldn't bet on it.   Europeon countries are more rightwing then the US in a LOT of areas.

They just aren't areas we focus on.

For example... just about everything the Patriot Act did already exists in europe.

Various bannings of specific religious faiths, laws designed to make europe less hospitable.  (or in France's case.  laws be damned).

Sexual Harrassment, in most european countries only "Sleep with me or your fired" counts as sexual harassment more or less.

Europe is more conservative in a number of ways, which i could break down by pages, espeically going into specific cases...

 

Espiecally France, holy shit.  France is so right wing it's scary, yet everyone ignores it because they like to tax rich people.



Kasz216 said:
Leadified said:
SocialistSlayer said:
Vikki said:
SocialistSlayer said:
 

economic policy? 

 

 

 



If Obama was the leader of any other developed country then he would be without any doubt be in a Conservative party. The Republican label that he is a liberal is to hide how similiar his policies are to the Republicans. Infact just look at the policies of Roland Regan and compare them to Obama, you'll be suprised.


I wouldn't bet on it.   Europeon countries are more rightwing then the US in a LOT of areas.

They just aren't areas we focus on.

For example... just about everything the Patriot Act did already exists in europe.

Various bannings of specific religious faiths, laws designed to make europe less hospitable.  (or in France's case.  laws be damned).

Sexual Harrassment, in most european countries only "Sleep with me or your fired" counts as sexual harassment more or less.

Europe is more conservative in a number of ways, which i could break down by pages, espeically going into specific cases...

 

Espiecally France, holy shit.  France is so right wing it's scary, yet everyone ignores it because they like to tax rich people.

Go north of France to countires like the Netherlands, Belgium, the whole of Scandanavia, the UK and Obama would be laughed out of parliament if he called himself left leaning.



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SocialistSlayer said:
bouzane said:
SocialistSlayer said:
Vikki said:
SocialistSlayer said:
Vikki said:
SocialistSlayer said:
Vikki said:
SocialistSlayer said:
Vikki said:
Figgycal said:
SocialistSlayer said:
Mr Puggsly said:

economic policy? 

expanding the welfare state, lengthening unemployement benefits. Socialized heathcare. increasing taxes on everybody, especially higher income earners. "spreading the weath around" he was a member of a communist party. increasing spending on everything, at a higher rate than anybody before him. him continually proping up business that the government seems worthy, especially of the "green" variety. most/all turning out to be economicall unsolvible.

These are all true. But he's still a conservative. Americans seem to have this very black and white view of politics. They seem to think you're either liberal or conservative, which is a load of crap. You can have some conservative values and still be liberal. You can have some liberal values, like Obama does, but still be a conservative.

The only true liberals to really run for president in the US in recent memory have been the likes of Jill Stein and Ralph Nader.

you seem to not know what the word conservative means

In the rest of the world, conservatism can endore the wellfare state. Even in the 1960's, British conservatives loved the idea of a wellfare state. Obama also cut taxes for middle class families. I'd like to see this proof that Obama was a member of a communist party, even if he was, views can change. 

Obama has kept troops in Afghan longer than he promised and is going to have them in there for much longer. He's increased drone strikes. He's pursued more whistleblowers than Bush did. He kept Guantanimo Bay open. He's kept the USA's hypocritical foreign policies against Cuba open. He's kept the US aggressive and hypocritical foreign policy and general going. 

If he was progressive he would stop this ridiculous drug law which has been failling for decades.

He is not a progressive.

at boled no he didnt.

New Party - chicago. communist party, he was a member of.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_policy_of_Barack_Obama#Taxation

Now a days Obama is about as close to being a communist as I am to being a talking sofa.

so that means today i not only discovered we have girls on these forums (vikki), we also have a sofa.

my point stands


No, your point doesn't stand. Obama's current policies directly contradict many essential tenants of Communism. A Communist would most definitely not support GMOs with anything resembling the Monsanto Protection Act. How on earth are Obama's tax policies progressive in the slightest? No offense but with such an asinine username I didn't expect much logical discourse but I know that nobody can be stupid enough to actually believe that Obama is a Communist. The odd socialist leaning a Communist does not make.