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snowdog on 01 December 2013

I want a sequel to Twilight Princess with the same sort of art direction that the Zelda tech demo had.



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Mensrea on 01 December 2013
spemanig said:
Mensrea said:
spemanig said:


...Screws up this one? Had his fun experimenting? Poor by Zelda standards?

You do realize that he's only once made a mainline Zelda game with a lower score than a 90 on Metacritic, right? (If you consider Spirit Tracks - 87 - as mainline)

Skyward Sword is a 93.

Twilight Princess is a 95.

A Link Between Worlds is a 91.

Wind Waker (My favorite) is a flipping 96!

Need more?

Majora's Mask - 95.

Phantom Hourglass - 90

...And let's not forget the one that started his legacy - Ocarina of Time at an astounding 99.

Everything the guy touches is gold. Shigeru Miyamoto? No, Aonuma deserves way more credit. He had his fun experimenting!? HA! Experiment the hell away.

His newest games may not be your cup of tea, but they sure as hell are everyone elses.

And for the record, I personally think Skyward Sword and Wind Waker are better games than Ocarina of Time. Get at me.


Wind Waker is my all time favorite  game. I think Aonuma has the capability to do great work, but his vision for the Zelda series has sucked badly in my opinion. 

Twilight Princess is my least favorite console zelda. It's boring, padded, slow, and feels like a retread.

Skyward Sword is almost worse than twilight princess. It has my two favorite dungeons in the Zelda series, but other than that it is not all that great. 

The DS games are absolutely awful. Both of them are borderline unplayable.

 

That being said, I know that he can make good Zelda. Everything before Twilight Princess is god tier. ALBW is also pretty good so far. I do believe he can make a fantastic game, but a lot of his later work is poor.

Twilight Princess was atmoshperic, diverse, and feels like a new spin on dying clichés.

Skyward Sword is even better than Twilight Princess. It has great dungeons, a beautiful world, great sound design, best Zelda story yet, a feeling of grandeos adventure, and a compact world filled with content at every turn.

The DS games are without a doubt some of the best top down Zelda's in the series.

See how my opinion overrides yours as much as yours overrides everyone elses? That being, not at all? I'm not saying that yours is wrong, just that it's in the very very small minority.

Every main Zelda game is god tier. None of his later work is poor, says the masses.

Not overly.  The negative reception to skyward sword was acknowledged by Eiji himslef, and really not many fans like the DS games. 

You can say I'm in the very small minority all you want, but the fanbase feels the same as I do for the most part.




KungKras on 01 December 2013

Fuck you Aonuma.

How about actually meeting my expectations for once?



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Dulfite on 01 December 2013

I have never in my life been disappointed by a main Zelda game, so I doubt I will be let down by the Wii U game. I am excited to see the changes they make!



Proxy-Pie on 01 December 2013
Veknoid_Outcast said:
the_dengle said:
spemanig said:


...Screws up this one? Had his fun experimenting? Poor by Zelda standards?

You do realize that he's only once made a mainline Zelda game with a lower score than a 90 on Metacritic, right? (If you consider Spirit Tracks - 87 - as mainline)

Skyward Sword is a 93.

Twilight Princess is a 95.

A Link Between Worlds is a 91.

Wind Waker (My favorite) is a flipping 96!

Need more?

Majora's Mask - 95.

Phantom Hourglass - 90

...And let's not forget the one that started his legacy - Ocarina of Time at an astounding 99.

Everything the guy touches is gold. Shigeru Miyamoto? No, Aonuma deserves way more credit. He had his fun experimenting!? HA! Experiment the hell away.

His newest games may not be your cup of tea, but they sure as hell are everyone elses.

And for the record, I personally think Skyward Sword and Wind Waker are better games than Ocarina of Time. Get at me.

Thanks, I was beginning to think I was the only person here who still likes Aonuma and isn't quite willing to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

I don't care what I could have had instead, I wouldn't trade Wind Waker for anything. And for the record I enjoy Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword as well. I have faith in Aonuma and I'm prepared to stand back and let him do his job.

Couldn't have said it better myself :)

I will never understand the hate for Aonuma.

I feel the same way when people talk about Sakamoto, I mean, he made 5 stellar Metroid games and 1 bad one and people don't want him anywhere near Metroid for some reason.



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orniletter on 01 December 2013
Soleron said:

He's still trying to "surprise". Not giving people what they want but what he THINKS they want.

How about a really solid by-the-numbers Ocarina clone with maximum production value.


So Twilight Princess 2 ?



orniletter on 01 December 2013
Riachu said:
trestres said:
The big problem zelda has is thats been trying to cater to the japanese on its last installments, more than ever in order to prevent a series decline, but Japanese still reject it. So Nintendo has to move on and make the game to cater aesthetically to the west. Its ridiculous that they create a game based on Japanese tastes, when the game sells, by far, the worst in that region. Its OK to go Japabese on RPGs, or other games that are guaranteed to sell comparably if not better over there, but going Japanese on all your series will be financial suicide in the long term.


I noticed this in Skyward Sword with the story of that game using tired anime cliches.  That camp gay villian for example...


Come on now, characters with questionable sexualitys have been part of the Zelda series for a long time now .

Koolo Limpah ?



the_dengle on 01 December 2013

Come on guys, you only have to look at the history of the franchise to see what the next Zelda is going to be. But you have to understand that Aonuma cares about reception far more than he does sales.

He made Wind Waker -- in the present, everyone adores the game, but back then it was too different and everyone just wanted Ocarina of Time with better graphics. So he made Twilight Princess. People loved it before it came out, then they played it and thought it was too big and empty and not colorful enough. So he made Skyward Sword, which packed tons of content into smaller areas, and players said the areas were too small and there wasn't enough real exploration.

Go back to the time before and immediately following Skyward Sword's release. Aonuma and Miyamoto can't stop talking about the motion controls, and how they're almost certainly going to be used in future Zelda games. Now try to find an interview within the past 18 months in which the motion controls are mentioned once as a possibility for the future. The verdict came in, and they abandoned that idea.

You're all going to get your darker aesthetic, non-linear, non-motion-controlled console Zelda game. And then people will complain that it's too dark, too open, and not motion-controlled enough, and the whole thing will be derailed.

God I hate the Zelda fandom.



Frogger on 01 December 2013
Mensrea said:
spemanig said:
Mensrea said:
spemanig said:


...Screws up this one? Had his fun experimenting? Poor by Zelda standards?

You do realize that he's only once made a mainline Zelda game with a lower score than a 90 on Metacritic, right? (If you consider Spirit Tracks - 87 - as mainline)

Skyward Sword is a 93.

Twilight Princess is a 95.

A Link Between Worlds is a 91.

Wind Waker (My favorite) is a flipping 96!

Need more?

Majora's Mask - 95.

Phantom Hourglass - 90

...And let's not forget the one that started his legacy - Ocarina of Time at an astounding 99.

Everything the guy touches is gold. Shigeru Miyamoto? No, Aonuma deserves way more credit. He had his fun experimenting!? HA! Experiment the hell away.

His newest games may not be your cup of tea, but they sure as hell are everyone elses.

And for the record, I personally think Skyward Sword and Wind Waker are better games than Ocarina of Time. Get at me.


Wind Waker is my all time favorite  game. I think Aonuma has the capability to do great work, but his vision for the Zelda series has sucked badly in my opinion. 

Twilight Princess is my least favorite console zelda. It's boring, padded, slow, and feels like a retread.

Skyward Sword is almost worse than twilight princess. It has my two favorite dungeons in the Zelda series, but other than that it is not all that great. 

The DS games are absolutely awful. Both of them are borderline unplayable.

 

That being said, I know that he can make good Zelda. Everything before Twilight Princess is god tier. ALBW is also pretty good so far. I do believe he can make a fantastic game, but a lot of his later work is poor.

Twilight Princess was atmoshperic, diverse, and feels like a new spin on dying clichés.

Skyward Sword is even better than Twilight Princess. It has great dungeons, a beautiful world, great sound design, best Zelda story yet, a feeling of grandeos adventure, and a compact world filled with content at every turn.

The DS games are without a doubt some of the best top down Zelda's in the series.

See how my opinion overrides yours as much as yours overrides everyone elses? That being, not at all? I'm not saying that yours is wrong, just that it's in the very very small minority.

Every main Zelda game is god tier. None of his later work is poor, says the masses.

Not overly.  The negative reception to skyward sword was acknowledged by Eiji himslef, and really not many fans like the DS games. 

You can say I'm in the very small minority all you want, but the fanbase feels the same as I do for the most part.


No. Not negative reception. Criticism. Something that every game, no matter how good, will get. And yes, many fans DID like the DS games. At least the ones who played it did.

And you are in the small minority. The fanbase doesn't feel the way you do. The reviews show that. The very small yet very vocal minority feels the same way you do. I say it all I want because it's true. Most people love Skyward Sword. 



Soleron on 01 December 2013
spemanig said:
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No. Not negative reception. Criticism. Something that every game, no matter how good, will get. And yes, many fans DID like the DS games. At least the ones who played it did.

And you are in the small minority. The fanbase doesn't feel the way you do. The reviews show that. The very small yet very vocal minority feels the same way you do. I say it all I want because it's true. Most people love Skyward Sword. 

The sales don't justify the investment.