Quantcast
How can Nintendo compete with the big dawgs?

Forums - Latest Charts - How can Nintendo compete with the big dawgs?

gmcmen said:
lightofhonor said:
johnlucas said:

The weakest system always wins.
Check your gaming history.
John Lucas


False. Dreamcast. (one exception.)

super nes , second exception.


I'm a Nintendo fan. Nobody doubts that, I'm sure.
But no one can deny the whomping the Sega Genesis/Mega Drive put on the SNES in the 4th generation.
SNES outsold the Genesis as Sega moved onto the 5th gen with the Sega Saturn.
Sort of like how PS3's now outselling the 360 in the extra innings of the 7th gen when originally it was behind.
As powerful as the Super Nintendo was to the Genesis, the race should not have even been close.
Yet it was.

I was there to witness it live as it happened.
And I love my Super Nintendo to this day.
But the Genesis rocked the SNES in the 4th gen. That is undeniable.
John Lucas



Words from the Official VGChartz Idiot

WE ARE THE NATION...OF DOMINATION!

 

Around the Network
johnlucas said:
gmcmen said:
lightofhonor said:
johnlucas said:

The weakest system always wins.
Check your gaming history.
John Lucas


False. Dreamcast. (one exception.)

super nes , second exception.


I'm a Nintendo fan. Nobody doubts that, I'm sure.
But no one can deny the whomping the Sega Genesis/Mega Drive put on the SNES in the 4th generation.
SNES outsold the Genesis as Sega moved onto the 5th gen with the Sega Saturn.
Sort of like how PS3's now outselling the 360 in the extra innings of the 7th gen when originally it was behind.
As powerful as the Super Nintendo was to the Genesis, the race should not have even been close.
Yet it was.

I was there to witness it live as it happened.
And I love my Super Nintendo to this day.
But the Genesis rocked the SNES in the 4th gen. That is undeniable.
John Lucas


super nes 49 million total sales

sega genesis 30 million total sales

super nes kicked the genesis a$s



Cobretti2 said:
gmcmen said:

the nintendo controller was the most advanced for its time, the graphics were the best, and it had plenty of  games, your making no sense, nintendo console was a traditional console by all means, so was every single nintendo console before it , the wii is nothing like the nes, mario was the most advanced game for that time.

Firstly NES was their first home console. 

Secondly the controller is what made the NES a Wii like system in its time. Every other console after it become a "traditional console"

Thirdly Metallicube knows more about this stuff then you which is evident by your replies to him.

I forgot to mention the funniest part, playstation was the console that made gaming mainstream, so to say that nintendo first console was simple and that's the reason it sold great is laughable, its  the exact opossite of the wii.



I just find it very funny you're calling sony and ms the big dogs when nintendo has been in the market the longest.

gmcmen said:
johnlucas said:
gmcmen said:
lightofhonor said:
johnlucas said:

The weakest system always wins.
Check your gaming history.
John Lucas


False. Dreamcast. (one exception.)

super nes , second exception.


I'm a Nintendo fan. Nobody doubts that, I'm sure.
But no one can deny the whomping the Sega Genesis/Mega Drive put on the SNES in the 4th generation.
SNES outsold the Genesis as Sega moved onto the 5th gen with the Sega Saturn.
Sort of like how PS3's now outselling the 360 in the extra innings of the 7th gen when originally it was behind.
As powerful as the Super Nintendo was to the Genesis, the race should not have even been close.
Yet it was.

I was there to witness it live as it happened.
And I love my Super Nintendo to this day.
But the Genesis rocked the SNES in the 4th gen. That is undeniable.
John Lucas


super nes 49 million total sales

sega genesis 30 million total sales

super nes kicked the genesis a$s


Remember I said that SNES overtook the Genesis as Sega moved on towards the 5th gen with the Saturn in 1994.
Between about 1991-1993, Genesis got the better of the SNES in America.
SNES was the descendant of the last generation's market leader, the NES, so it had advantage going in.
But the Genesis overcame those advantages in the heat of the 4th gen fight.
Genesis could only display a palette of 512 colors while SNES had a palette of 32,768 colors.
The powerful SNES should not have even struggled against the Genesis AT ALL if hardware power determined dominance.

Those who brag about being the strongest always end up having the weaker sales as a rule.
Outside of those special exceptions—which I explained how they became the exceptions—the strongest never wins.
John Lucas



Words from the Official VGChartz Idiot

WE ARE THE NATION...OF DOMINATION!

 

Around the Network
johnlucas said:
gmcmen said:
johnlucas said:
gmcmen said:
lightofhonor said:
johnlucas said:

The weakest system always wins.
Check your gaming history.
John Lucas


False. Dreamcast. (one exception.)

super nes , second exception.


I'm a Nintendo fan. Nobody doubts that, I'm sure.
But no one can deny the whomping the Sega Genesis/Mega Drive put on the SNES in the 4th generation.
SNES outsold the Genesis as Sega moved onto the 5th gen with the Sega Saturn.
Sort of like how PS3's now outselling the 360 in the extra innings of the 7th gen when originally it was behind.
As powerful as the Super Nintendo was to the Genesis, the race should not have even been close.
Yet it was.

I was there to witness it live as it happened.
And I love my Super Nintendo to this day.
But the Genesis rocked the SNES in the 4th gen. That is undeniable.
John Lucas


super nes 49 million total sales

sega genesis 30 million total sales

super nes kicked the genesis a$s


Remember I said that SNES overtook the Genesis as Sega moved on towards the 5th gen with the Saturn in 1994.
Between about 1991-1993, Genesis got the better of the SNES in America.
SNES was the descendant of the last generation's market leader, the NES, so it had advantage going in.
But the Genesis overcame those advantages in the heat of the 4th gen fight.
Genesis could only display a palette of 512 colors while SNES had a palette of 32,768 colors.
The powerful SNES should not have even struggled against the Genesis AT ALL if hardware power determined dominance.

Those who brag about being the strongest always end up having the weaker sales as a rule.
Outside of those special exceptions—which I explained how they became the exceptions—the strongest never wins.
John Lucas

It really doesn't matter nes was strongest console and it won, super nes samething, if your talking about the playstation brand, sony always wants to have the most powerful console, it's just with the playstaion and 2 there  competition came out a 1,5 years later so they had more powerful hardware, sony always bragged about the power of playstaion 2 the emotion engine and it can do toy story graphics.



gmcmen said:
none of those are facts vgchartz has been so off with its numbers it laughable, last month they had wiiu at 87k, when it sold 51k in the npd and to say the wiiu is not struggling is delusional, it's traking a million behind gamecube, and tracking behind the dreamcast and thats with a 2d mario and 3d mario out.

It's funny how the console warmongers will use VGChartz numbers to support their argument (like "Wii U weekly global sales are on the decline"), but then say that VGChartz numbers are "so off... it (sic) laughable" when the numbers don't support their argument.

Newsflash: NPD uses exactly the same method as VGChartz to collect its numbers. They might (key word: might) collect more data, resulting in somewhat more accurate numbers, but they aren't reporting exact, real numbers, any more than VGChartz is. They are both estimates, and sometimes they'll disagree. There is no guarantee that NPD will be the "right" one. Indeed, even if NPD collected ten times as much raw data, they would still be less accurate than VGChartz every once in a while. That's elementary statistics.

Furthermore, the "51k" number is unconfirmed rumour - if I'm wrong, feel free to provide a solid source (someone on neogaf saying "50k < Wii U < 51k" in a prediction thread does not count as a 'solid source').

But all of that is irrelevant, since even if they're consistently overtracking, the key word is "consistently". What you've just said is that the numbers from october were even lower than VGChartz says... by that reasoning, either the increase is even bigger, or the increase is about the same and everything is just scaled a little bit wrong. Or are you suggesting that they're overtracking by even more in November than they did in October, with no evidence whatsoever to support the claim?



Aielyn said:
gmcmen said:
none of those are facts vgchartz has been so off with its numbers it laughable, last month they had wiiu at 87k, when it sold 51k in the npd and to say the wiiu is not struggling is delusional, it's traking a million behind gamecube, and tracking behind the dreamcast and thats with a 2d mario and 3d mario out.

It's funny how the console warmongers will use VGChartz numbers to support their argument (like "Wii U weekly global sales are on the decline"), but then say that VGChartz numbers are "so off... it (sic) laughable" when the numbers don't support their argument.

Newsflash: NPD uses exactly the same method as VGChartz to collect its numbers. They might (key word: might) collect more data, resulting in somewhat more accurate numbers, but they aren't reporting exact, real numbers, any more than VGChartz is. They are both estimates, and sometimes they'll disagree. There is no guarantee that NPD will be the "right" one. Indeed, even if NPD collected ten times as much raw data, they would still be less accurate than VGChartz every once in a while. That's elementary statistics.

Furthermore, the "51k" number is unconfirmed rumour - if I'm wrong, feel free to provide a solid source (someone on neogaf saying "50k < Wii U < 51k" in a prediction thread does not count as a 'solid source').

But all of that is irrelevant, since even if they're consistently overtracking, the key word is "consistently". What you've just said is that the numbers from october were even lower than VGChartz says... by that reasoning, either the increase is even bigger, or the increase is about the same and everything is just scaled a little bit wrong. Or are you suggesting that they're overtracking by even more in November than they did in October, with no evidence whatsoever to support the claim?

 

you didn't notice microsoft, sony and nintendo actually use npd numbers, npd track 90% of retailers while vg chartz tracks about 5-10%.



gmcmen said:
you didn't notice microsoft, sony and nintendo actually use npd numbers, npd track 90% of retailers while vg chartz tracks about 5-10%.

Even if those percentages were true, my statement would still be 100% accurate - NPD do not get raw data for 100% of sales, so there is statistical estimation involved.

But I'm going to force you to back up your claim - provide sources that prove that NPD tracks "90% of retailers" and VGChartz tracks less than 20%.

I've already found a solid number for the number of retailers that NPD tracks, I want to see if you are capable of finding it. I'll say this much - it's not 90%.

Until you provide evidence, I'm going to assume you're full of it, and dismiss any further argument you put forward in this thread.

(EDIT: Oh, and I don't care at all who uses NPD numbers for sell-through, because they are, by definition, statistical estimates.)



Aielyn said:
gmcmen said:
you didn't notice microsoft, sony and nintendo actually use npd numbers, npd track 90% of retailers while vg chartz tracks about 5-10%.

Even if those percentages were true, my statement would still be 100% accurate - NPD do not get raw data for 100% of sales, so there is statistical estimation involved.

But I'm going to force you to back up your claim - provide sources that prove that NPD tracks "90% of retailers" and VGChartz tracks less than 20%.

I've already found a solid number for the number of retailers that NPD tracks, I want to see if you are capable of finding it. I'll say this much - it's not 90%.

Until you provide evidence, I'm going to assume you're full of it, and dismiss any further argument you put forward in this thread.

(EDIT: Oh, and I don't care at all who uses NPD numbers for sell-through, because they are, by definition, statistical estimates.)

so sales numbers that sony, microsoft and nintendo feel good enough to trust are not good enough for you.