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shikamaru317 said:
DonFerrari said:
Too_Talls said:
DonFerrari said:

That is the good part of fanboy review... you pick the average of the inflated official reviews (it usually is for all plats because of adds) with the downeated fanboys review and have a more real one =] ... and for PS4 games I'm more aligned with users review score than official, even if solely because of Knack that looks and play much better than sub-60 (if it was a Ninty game on WiiU it would have a better score).


Mid generation when there are a lot of games out there the user reviews should stabalize. the fan war is at a high point early on so fan boys and girls are hard at work trolling. When unaffected by fanboy voting I agree that the user scores are usually a better indication of the game's value than the official reviews. It's accumulated by a much larger number of people than the amount of review sitees that count to the metric. and those people spent honest time with the game were as guys who do reviews for a living look at it more as a job than recreation and they get the games for free so they don't really care about putting all that much into enjoying the  games.

Agree with you... but don't you think that right now we have some bogus official review with scores too low (like Knack and possibly Ryse) and others too high (like DR3 buggyfest and KI still incomplete)??? And if you sum it average with users average and average the result you may have a closer to reality number???

For me Metacritic is more valuable as a shittometer... bellow 50 don't touch, between 50-70 niche, 70-85 good, 85-90 gorgeous 90+ must buy. Don't give them much credit for the exact number (to much biased sites still allowed, and some serious magazine really obscure score system).

I agree that user scores are often better for judging a game than critic scores (once the fanboy flames die down) and I agree that Knack and Ryse didn't recieve as high of critic scores as I think they should have (I've heard mainly positive things from people I know who have played one or the other), but I have to disagree on DR3 being too high, I haven't heard anything about major bugs in DR3 (other than some framerate hiccups, which was to be expected given the number of Zombies on screen). As for KI, I think the reason that it got fairly high critic reviews despite being incomplete is because the critics acknowledged that it would be completed via DLC over the next few months, and deiced to review the game as if it were complete now, rather than re-review it in a few months (though a few of the critics have said that they will re-review it in a few months). 

You know its kind of crazy to evaluate (REview) something for what you expect it to be and not what it is... that should be a PREview... they don't even now if the rest of the package will be good... it would be like releasing FM now saying they will double everything with DLC during the year, will include dynamic lighting and weather change and then reviewers decide to give it 10 more points in confidence that they will deliver and good.

Our unbiased review gave 8.5 average for the game stating its incomplete (several modes and chars) and outdated... so when it gets complete it will achieve 12? Well DR3 framerate issues and low pixel+fps aren't deserving a high score imho, DR4 will probably be the game that DR3 should have been (16 fps count on Digital Foundry article is pretty low).



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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shikamaru317 said:
ethomaz said:
Best lineup in the console history...


2 of the 3 main exclusives got good scores, and 3 of the 6 minor exclusives got decent scores. It may not have been the best launch lineup ever, but it was one of the largest (with 3rd party included) and it was generally better than the PS4's launch lineup. 

Don't discount all those loveable indies =~] ... and I don't think ethomaz comment was appropriate since this game wasn't expected to be good.

Maybe just for some crazy lunatics that will say that the score is wrong, they had a really good time with it and is the best kinect game ever.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

lawl kinect, who even buys these games



All of this, of course, is just my opinion.

Skyrim 100%'d. Dark Souls 100%'d. 
Dark Souls > Skyrim.
Halo 4 is the best damn FPS since Halo 3.
Proud pre-orderer of 2 PS4's and an Xbox One. 

Currently Playing: Dark Souls II, South Park
Playstation 4: MGS V GZ, Killzone: Shadow Fall, NBA 2k14.

MS just don't get it, KINECT=FAIL.



shikamaru317 said:
DonFerrari said:
shikamaru317 said:
DonFerrari said:
Too_Talls said:
DonFerrari said:

That is the good part of fanboy review... you pick the average of the inflated official reviews (it usually is for all plats because of adds) with the downeated fanboys review and have a more real one =] ... and for PS4 games I'm more aligned with users review score than official, even if solely because of Knack that looks and play much better than sub-60 (if it was a Ninty game on WiiU it would have a better score).


Mid generation when there are a lot of games out there the user reviews should stabalize. the fan war is at a high point early on so fan boys and girls are hard at work trolling. When unaffected by fanboy voting I agree that the user scores are usually a better indication of the game's value than the official reviews. It's accumulated by a much larger number of people than the amount of review sitees that count to the metric. and those people spent honest time with the game were as guys who do reviews for a living look at it more as a job than recreation and they get the games for free so they don't really care about putting all that much into enjoying the  games.

Agree with you... but don't you think that right now we have some bogus official review with scores too low (like Knack and possibly Ryse) and others too high (like DR3 buggyfest and KI still incomplete)??? And if you sum it average with users average and average the result you may have a closer to reality number???

For me Metacritic is more valuable as a shittometer... bellow 50 don't touch, between 50-70 niche, 70-85 good, 85-90 gorgeous 90+ must buy. Don't give them much credit for the exact number (to much biased sites still allowed, and some serious magazine really obscure score system).

I agree that user scores are often better for judging a game than critic scores (once the fanboy flames die down) and I agree that Knack and Ryse didn't recieve as high of critic scores as I think they should have (I've heard mainly positive things from people I know who have played one or the other), but I have to disagree on DR3 being too high, I haven't heard anything about major bugs in DR3 (other than some framerate hiccups, which was to be expected given the number of Zombies on screen). As for KI, I think the reason that it got fairly high critic reviews despite being incomplete is because the critics acknowledged that it would be completed via DLC over the next few months, and deiced to review the game as if it were complete now, rather than re-review it in a few months (though a few of the critics have said that they will re-review it in a few months). 

You know its kind of crazy to evaluate (REview) something for what you expect it to be and not what it is... that should be a PREview... they don't even now if the rest of the package will be good... it would be like releasing FM now saying they will double everything with DLC during the year, will include dynamic lighting and weather change and then reviewers decide to give it 10 more points in confidence that they will deliver and good.

Our unbiased review gave 8.5 average for the game stating its incomplete (several modes and chars) and outdated... so when it gets complete it will achieve 12? Well DR3 framerate issues and low pixel+fps aren't deserving a high score imho, DR4 will probably be the game that DR3 should have been (16 fps count on Digital Foundry article is pretty low).

It was a strange decision on their part. It'll be interesting to see what KI's final critic score is after the critics that plan to re-review it in a few months are averaged in, if the upcoming story mode and extra characters are good, it may even top 80, but if they suck it may drop below 70. 

78 average actually brings DR3 in behind DR1 and DR2, so I don't feel like it was overrated, since the main issue was with the game's performance. I watched Digital Foundry's performance review, I mainly only saw framerate drops when vehicles were plowing through large loads of zombies (lots of blood splatter effects) or when there were big explosions (a common cause of framerate drops in most games). A 16 FPS drop sounds bad for DR3, but if you watch framerate comparisons of Far Cry 3 on the 360 and PS3, it was known to drop that low, and yet it got a 90 on Metacritic. The thing with FPS drops is that some gamers simply don't notice them while playing, which likely accounts for why some reviewers didn't even note performance issues in their reviews. 

Quite possible they didn't noticed... If the game is good, pretty and play well I don't give a shit about frame drops, screen tearing and pop-ins (if they aren't all the time there)... If DR3 is as fun as fan suggest hope DR4 come to PS4 so I can get my quota of zombies killing =] ... but I'm no reviewer so I can give a 9.5 for graphic with a lot of issues, a reviewer can't raise the grade for graphic based on fun factor. (the game can even have a nice final score, but to have a good score in a category that it do poor job isn't good).



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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shikamaru317 said:

2 of the 3 main exclusives got good scores, and 3 of the 6 minor exclusives got decent scores. It may not have been the best launch lineup ever, but it was one of the largest (with 3rd party included) and it was generally better than the PS4's launch lineup. 

First PS4 have at least twice the number of games launch than Xbone... so the largest go to PS4 easly... Xbone didn't have a number of games at launch to open this part for discussion.

Now quality it is personal but...

Highest scored exclusive in both: RESOGUN (I'm removing Flower because it is on PS3/Vita... so it is not exclusive)
Highest game in both: Flower

Multiplataform are the same buy play and are better on PS4.

The exclusives receveid close scores.

So how the Xbone have a better launch lineup?



Damn, those scores are pretty terrible. I still think Kinect is gonna be a hard sell for good game efforts.