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Who finished last?

Wii 67 11.90%
 
PS3 212 37.66%
 
Xbox 360 283 50.27%
 
Total:562

I'd have to agree, wii was, but at what cost for Nintendo? They are in a pickle now.



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Nintendo lost.
If you were a gamer with only 1 gaming console in his/her home. You had a good stable of 1st party offerings, but on the flip side you missed out on MANY great 3rd party titles. Borderlands/ Skyrim/ Bioshock/ Dragons Dogma/ Batman AA/ GTAIV/ Fallout and many many more.
The ps3/ 360 had great 1st party titles along with all the offerings of 3rd party titles.
In terms of sales, yes they sold a bucket load, but just look at the present. The ps3/ 360 are still selling well, along with a good stable of games still being released for the ps3 going well into the end of 2014. On the Wii, what is there to look forward to ? Heck even their console sales have taken a nose dive.
On a side note, the PLaystation 3 won last gen.



I say PS3, because compared to the 360 and Wii it lost marketshare



blublibla said:

Okay so in terms of pure numbers, the Wii has won last generation. Then there are people who say that in term of revenue, either the X360 or PS3 won. Finally there are thos who say that in terms of image, reputation, following it's rather the PS3 that won.

So If we can't agree on who really won, according to those three criterias (sales, revenue, image), who do you think, lost last generation?

For me it was the X360, by little because it sold and a lot and was a great console. But in terms of sale they sold way less than the Wii, and even the PS3 even though it was released 1 year earlier.

Also in term of image, contrary to the Wii I think the X360 manage to build a great image but it didn't last as long as the today's PS3 which is still seing great releases (Last of Us, Beyond Two Souls, GT6, Pupeteer, Personna 5, Gow Ascencion, Ni No Kuni...)

So by very little, Xbox 360 lost last generation.

But I think next generation is going to be very different between Wii U, Xbox One and PS4...


Lol what?

 

The Wii won. Gained marketsare and more importantly, buckets and buckets full of money.

A console did the opposite. It lost.



MajorSeizure said:
Ajax said:
Sony went from total domination with the PSX and PS2, to basically number 3 last generation.

Talking about profits without factual numbers is useless.

Just a couple months now the PS3 seems to be number 2.

MS saw a great rise in sales from the xbox to the 360.

So definitely Sony "lost" last generation.


No, one generation is totally different then the next.. It doesn;t carry over.


Its about brands. Its about business. 

In any sort of market whether its electronica like phones, tvs, or car brands or clothing brands or food, it doesn't matter. 

All these markets have 'generations' in one way or another, and taking your established position in the market over to the next is crucial. Business is all about establishing a strong position, growing this, maintaining this, innovating and making money because of this. 

Saying that Nintendo didn't 'lose' in the 64 era against the new kid on the block PSX is nonsense.

 

One can make an argument about who makes the most money of course, but its hard, or even impossible to get all the rights figures of these companies. Even if you have numbers, there are many legal ways to put figures in financial report in ways by which you can put certain costs under different company divisions.



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superchunk said:
Can't agree on a winner? Every thread I've seen shows Wii winning last gen by a landslide.

If you can't admit Wii won last gen in sales and profits (only two things that matter to a business/market), then you are clearly out of touch with reality.

As for the loser, I'd have to say X360 as it was first, then second and now last.

wii won last gen been but nobody cares about its successor , the wiiu finished first last gen, but how will it end up now, its dead in europe, and on life support every where else, i have never seen any console be so succesful then its successor be such a failure. while the xbone and ps4 will be sold for months at a way higher price point, and you say sales and profits is not the only thing that matters, its about controlling the market for 20+l years to these guys not just winning a generation and being booted out.



Ajax said:
MajorSeizure said:
Ajax said:
Sony went from total domination with the PSX and PS2, to basically number 3 last generation.

Talking about profits without factual numbers is useless.

Just a couple months now the PS3 seems to be number 2.

MS saw a great rise in sales from the xbox to the 360.

So definitely Sony "lost" last generation.


No, one generation is totally different then the next.. It doesn;t carry over.


Its about brands. Its about business. 

In any sort of market whether its electronica like phones, tvs, or car brands or clothing brands or food, it doesn't matter. 

All these markets have 'generations' in one way or another, and taking your established position in the market over to the next is crucial. Business is all about establishing a strong position, growing this, maintaining this, innovating and making money because of this. 

Saying that Nintendo didn't 'lose' in the 64 era against the new kid on the block PSX is nonsense.

 

One can make an argument about who makes the most money of course, but its hard, or even impossible to get all the rights figures of these companies. Even if you have numbers, there are many legal ways to put figures in financial report in ways by which you can put certain costs under different company divisions.

Your post makes no sense, trhe ps1 gravely outsold N64, PS3 outsold 360 despite MS having every advantage and momentum in which they squandered, and here we are. Not even close to the same thing.

 

How do you know how much money Sony made/lost on PS3? Sony's issues as a whole are not due to playstation.

 

Again, one gen does not always carry on to the next, like you pointed out with N64.



IMO the biggest winner was microsoft, they went from being irrelevant with the xbox to now being a huge name in the industry, they have every third party on board , and have a huge following now, i doubt they will ever beat sony but they have a bright future in the console business.



sabastian said:
Nintendo lost.
If you were a gamer with only 1 gaming console in his/her home. You had a good stable of 1st party offerings, but on the flip side you missed out on MANY great 3rd party titles. Borderlands/ Skyrim/ Bioshock/ Dragons Dogma/ Batman AA/ GTAIV/ Fallout and many many more.
The ps3/ 360 had great 1st party titles along with all the offerings of 3rd party titles.
In terms of sales, yes they sold a bucket load, but just look at the present. The ps3/ 360 are still selling well, along with a good stable of games still being released for the ps3 going well into the end of 2014. On the Wii, what is there to look forward to ? Heck even their console sales have taken a nose dive.
On a side note, the PLaystation 3 won last gen.


That's a cute post. Flawless logic.

I had one gaming console in my household (Wii), and haven't missed any of the 3rd party titles that you are reffering to - because there is this thing that's called a PC and it also plays 3rd party games. And guess what - I can also play them on my new PC. And I will be able to play them on the one I will get in the future.

Looking back before the generation even started, nintendo had absolute handicap - weak gamecube sales, rumors that they won't going to do the power fight with the other two in the next gen resulting the constant notion of doom from gaming community, and so on.

Looking now, it was obvious that they won - most profit, most market share, most market share (re)gained. Every other conclusion is pure fanboy BS.

Speaking of loosers, the only one that lost something compared to previous gen was Sony (lost significant market share)



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joora said:
sabastian said:
Nintendo lost.
If you were a gamer with only 1 gaming console in his/her home. You had a good stable of 1st party offerings, but on the flip side you missed out on MANY great 3rd party titles. Borderlands/ Skyrim/ Bioshock/ Dragons Dogma/ Batman AA/ GTAIV/ Fallout and many many more.
The ps3/ 360 had great 1st party titles along with all the offerings of 3rd party titles.
In terms of sales, yes they sold a bucket load, but just look at the present. The ps3/ 360 are still selling well, along with a good stable of games still being released for the ps3 going well into the end of 2014. On the Wii, what is there to look forward to ? Heck even their console sales have taken a nose dive.
On a side note, the PLaystation 3 won last gen.


That's a cute post. Flawless logic.

I had one gaming console in my household (Wii), and haven't missed any of the 3rd party titles that you are reffering to - because there is this thing that's called a PC and it also plays 3rd party games. And guess what - I can also play them on my new PC. And I will be able to play them on the one I will get in the future.

Looking back before the generation even started, nintendo had absolute handicap - weak gamecube sales, rumors that they won't going to do the power fight with the other two in the next gen resulting the constant notion of doom from gaming community, and so on.

Looking now, it was obvious that they won - most profit, most market share, most market share (re)gained. Every other conclusion is pure fanboy BS.

Speaking of loosers, the only one that lost something compared to previous gen was Sony (lost significant market share)

yes, thats not the way the market works, most people only own one console, this is not about you, this is about the market, the reason why those third party games don't sell on wiiu, cause they have no fanbase on that console, cause the wii missed out on them last gen, while you clearly see those third party games are selling well on ps4/xbone, even though they are on 360/ps3.