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Akvod said:
d21lewis said:


No, the guys that pay for the game are likely to be more biased because, as stated, who buys a game that they don't intend to like?  So, every "unbiased review" has a little bit of bias already. But, for a review of a game I intend to buy, the opinion of somebody that sacrificed their hard earned money is definitely appreciated.  Aside from that little quibble, I think we're in agreement except for the bolded.  It's just a name.

So you're saying that the people who buy the games already have positive feelings about the game before they buy it???

Again, that can lead to many things.

An inflation of scores by "unbiased" reviewers since they all bought the game and thus had positive feelings beforehand.

The positive expectations could have also put a lens on how they experienced the game (they might be more willing to overlook the flaws for example).

Also, the positive expectations and the financial investment could make any backlash against a game even bigger than a person who came in netural and with no financial investment.


I think we're going to end up walking into philosophical territory.  Can a review be truly unbiased?  For me, I sometimes thing reviewers are a little too harsh on games because they didn't have to pay for them or a little to lenient because they don't have any investment.  I can readily admit that there's no such thing as an unbiased review.  My thing is that the reviewers report from our point of view--the consumer.  The person that has to pay money for the game.  I've bought games that didn't live up to expectations and I bashed them accordingly.  I didn't get my $60 worth.  I've had games that blew away expectations and praised them as well. 

I just think that the "Unbiased" reviewers try their best to leave their fanboy goggles at the door and try their best to review games on their own merit.  Perhaps its impossible but nobody that participates is a professional.  Their just reviews from our peers.  I see no harm in it.



d21lewis said:
Akvod said:
d21lewis said:
 


No, the guys that pay for the game are likely to be more biased because, as stated, who buys a game that they don't intend to like?  So, every "unbiased review" has a little bit of bias already. But, for a review of a game I intend to buy, the opinion of somebody that sacrificed their hard earned money is definitely appreciated.  Aside from that little quibble, I think we're in agreement except for the bolded.  It's just a name.

So you're saying that the people who buy the games already have positive feelings about the game before they buy it???

Again, that can lead to many things.

An inflation of scores by "unbiased" reviewers since they all bought the game and thus had positive feelings beforehand.

The positive expectations could have also put a lens on how they experienced the game (they might be more willing to overlook the flaws for example).

Also, the positive expectations and the financial investment could make any backlash against a game even bigger than a person who came in netural and with no financial investment.


I think we're going to end up walking into philosophical territory.  Can a review be truly unbiased?  For me, I sometimes thing reviewers are a little too harsh on games because they didn't have to pay for them or a little to lenient because they don't have any investment.  I can readily admit that there's no such thing as an unbiased review.  My thing is that the reviewers report from our point of view--the consumer.  The person that has to pay money for the game.  I've bought games that didn't live up to expectations and I bashed them accordingly.  I didn't get my $60 worth.  I've had games that blew away expectations and praised them as well. 

I just think that the "Unbiased" reviewers try their best to leave their fanboy goggles at the door and try their best to review games on their own merit.  Perhaps its impossible but nobody that participates is a professional.  Their just reviews from our peers.  I see no harm in it.

"Can a review be truly unbiased? "

A review can't, since it's interpreting OBJECTIVE facts and giving some kind of SUBJECTIVE evaluation (a number score, purchase recommendation, etc).

"My thing is that the reviewers report from our point of view--the consumer."

WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT AN UNBIASED REVIEW IS!!!!!!!!!!!

"I just think that the "Unbiased" reviewers try their best to leave their fanboy goggles at the door and try their best to review games on their own merit.  Perhaps its impossible but nobody that participates is a professional.  Their just reviews from our peers.  I see no harm in it."

I see harm in it.

First, it's contributing to McCarthy-esque trend of accusing people of being "unbiased" and as "fanboys". The title implies that other reviewers are biased when they make that their differentiating quality. It's not only wrong, but it's also pretty insulting and arrogant. Just accusing away the dozens of professional reviewers out there or every day consumer reviewers as being biased, and that they are the shining beacon of unbiased reason. It's the height of arrogance.

It also detracts away from the main problem. The main problem isn't that people are "biased". The problem isn't that people argue about which console or game is better than the other. The problem with fanboys is that they don't engage in meaningful dialogue.

It's like how "debates" in the old Crossfire or on Fox are really just people reading off memorized talking points (or in the case of Sarah Palin, written on her hand).

If you have time, watch Jon Stewart explain what I'm saying:

 

I guess I'm really just seeing two extremes that are ultimately engaging in the same thing. Just as fanboyism don't have meaningful discussion with opinions explained in detail, "unbiased" discussion results in no meaningful discussion with opinions explained in detail.

People are BIASED. They have different opinions and principles, which are colored by their years of exsitence. Our souls are built from our experiences. We should not deny that, but in fact openly embrace it. Doing so will result in more interesting and thoughtful discussions.

We should reject bad discussions, but also reject demands for no discourse.



Akvod said:

 

We should reject bad discussions, but also reject demands for no discourse.


The only bad discussion i see here is yours.  Please lecture people some more xD  I find it amusing that I have dug myself so much in your mind that you continually try and prove to people the evil doings i do xD  Maybe find a different hobby or something better to do with your time instead of taking things so literal and fighting internet crime with faceless enemies. See I can type shit behind a screen as well xD




       

JayWood2010 said:
Akvod said:

 

We should reject bad discussions, but also reject demands for no discourse.


The only bad discussion i see here is yours.  Please lecture people some more xD  I find it amusing that I have dug myself so much in your mind that you continually try and prove to people the evil doings i do xD  Maybe find a different hobby or something better to do with your time instead of taking things so literal and fighting internet crime with faceless enemies. See I can type shit behind a screen as well xD

Okay.



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So I decided to buy Ryse the other day! Partly based on certain reviews and because I have heard a few of my friends talk about it................

Thank's Selnor, I am actually really enjoying this game ALOT. Very very Hack and Slash but amazing in it's delivery.



 

Colltrain said:
So I decided to buy Ryse the other day! Partly based on certain reviews and because I have heard a few of my friends talk about it................

Thank's Selnor, I am actually really enjoying this game ALOT. Very very Hack and Slash but amazing in it's delivery.


Glad to hear you're enjoying your purchase :)




       

how is this review unbiased in any way?
he makes judgements based on his personal preferences, and choses to compare it with games which he selectively picks. he also uses terms such as "boring" and seems to have formed his own criteria on what make a character "flawless".
what he called boring may be fun to someone else. what he called shallow may still be a great experience for someone else.

I thought by unbiased review, it was going to be highly technical and explain its advantages and disadvantages quantitatively, but this is just like any other review.

In an unbiased review, you only state facts about the game that help the reader decide whether they like it or not. Talking about your perception of the game is the definition of bias.