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- Reggie, VGX 2013



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chidori-chan2 said:


The Kaz and Don appearance killed me.



Th3PANO said:
EdHieron said:
Th3PANO said:
EdHieron said:
I also dobt it because it would boost the price of the Wii U to being right up there with the vastly superior technolofy wise Xbox One and Playstation 4 and nobody would buy the underpowered Wii U at that price for another gimmick and expensive, later additions to consoles don't really have a track record for making them sell all that much more than they already are selling.

The best bomb Nintendo can drop with Wii U is to reduce the price of Wii U's Deluxe Model to $199.99 because then it would be available at a realistic price point in relation to PS4 and Xbone.

So, 300 + one game is overpriced? It has free online, you can use all the stuff from the Wii, everything. No features behind a paywall. If you buy a Wii U now you have atleast 4-5 titles that are really really good. And as far as I know no launch title benefited from better hardware besides prettier graphics. 200 is just unrealistic and almost trolling.
 


When you're 1 / 4 to 1 / 8th as powerful as the other consoles and they cost $400 to $500, you really shouldn't charge over half of that for your console.

You know, first of all you don't pay only $400 or $500. You have to count the online paywall for both consoles. If you buy a PS 4 with $5 per month for online and you have the console for 5 years you payed ultimately $700  for it.

You also don't get a game with the standard bundle....another $60. Now we are at $760, then you want Camera maybe because it isn't bundled with the PS4, another $60  = $820. If I buy a Wii U with 300 $ I have 1-2 games, depends on the bundle. And also every feature from the beginning.

And almost everyone has/had a Wii at some point. If you want to play with other people they can bring a controller with them o you have one yourself. Also you can play every freaking Wii Game. You don't have that on the other consoles. Oh and the freaking remote play is also included in every bundle. The range isn't comparable but is has no lag at all. And if you wanna have that feature on PS 4 you need online features again and a vita (and not many people have them. +200 $. Or maybe $150-$175, depends on how they price the combined PS4/Vita bundle. So please do some research before saying Wii U price for it's value is 100 $ too expensive. 32 GB of memory isn't a excuse, depending on the game you can get as many games on it like the 40-50 gb games on a 500 GB HDD in the PS4.



Personally, I'm not buying it 'til it costs $199 and I don't think the fact that you're unable to buy certain features on the console like you could readily do on X / 4 is really any further justification for its price tag versus X / 4. I'll stick with or buy a new X / 3. ( since I don't currently have one) They're still the market leaders anyway.

I think they'll announce a camera-type device that can track you in your living room so you can be placed inside the game. It'll also listen to voice commands so the Wii U Gamepad will be a distant memory.

They'll call it Ineckt.



JoeTheBro said:
anonymunchy said:
JoeTheBro said:

I've seen that video, but the illusion is broken if you see the effect in person. It just doesn't work. Sorry. Kinda confused by your OP though if that's what you were going for. Even the PS2 eye toy could do that type of VR. Devs could easily do that right now with the current wii u gamepad.

 

Somewhat off topic but Johnny Lee now works at Microsoft with Kinect and that group.

What do you mean the illusion is broken when you see the effect in person? Why wouldn't it appear 3D anymore? Wasn't that the whole idea of the video?

I always figured glasses-free 3D is what they were going for with the Wii U based off some patent releases from about 2 years ago I think. I'm not a technical wizard but there's a camera and a sensor bar in the palm of your hand, sounds like they could achieve something similar with the Wii U, without adding any external peripherals. (as you mention as well)

3D is perceived with 4 bits of information: motion parallax, focus, convergence, and visual clues. Any 2D picture covers the last one, because our brains see the shadows, reflections, faces, etc. and understand the scene should be 3D. However 99% of the time this isn't enough to trick us into thinking it is 3D.

3D movies and the 3DS have the visual clues, but they also have convergence. The viewer's eyes converge on a 3D point in space rather than on the 2D screen. This is by far the strongest 3D clue our brain works with. Even on its own our brain perfectly perceives the image as 3D, as shown with magic eye pictures.

Head tracking is giving the visual clues ad the motion parallax, but if it lacks 3D convergence than 90% of the time the brain still perceives it as 2D. Plus the effect only works while the viewer is in motion. Unless you plan to bob your head back and fourth, it's just not good enough on its own.

In videos of the effect however, our brains only go off of visual clues. Because we are so used to seeing 3D scenes represented as 2D pictures, our brain just assumes the screen in head tracking videos would be 3D in real life. In the youtube video all of the visual clues say it's 3D, so we assume in real life it'd work that way. It doesn't. It's actually a very similar effect to viewing pictures of 3D chalk drawings.

All the visual clues in that picture make it almost impossible to know that most of it is flat, not 2D. Looking at the picture it "feels" 3D even, or at least if you imagine this scene in your head, it'd be 3D. Viewing it in real life, even from this perspective, the illusion would be much worse. Convergence and focus would instantly tell you it's 2D, while when viewing a picture your brain ignores those. The same is happening in the head tracking video and every other one trying to look 3D in that matter.

 

Focus is by far the most ignored 3D bit but it's still pretty valuable. There's only one 3D screen I know of that actually uses it.


You have not emty you head.. You are still trapped in the same ideea..

No.. you don't have to move your head at all to get the effect.. becurse the image  will change for you.. arcording to where you look at it.. meaning if you hold your head perfectly still.. and use wiimote/ nunchuc to walk..  the picture above (or 3d game on a 2d screen) will still be perfect 3d from that angel and perspectiv.. (change  real time) and that is not some trick with the eyes.. it's the game that make that efect ..

And funny how many saying VR are shit.. and even gimmick.. when there are som many different VR set on the way.. from the biggest player in the industry..



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VR won't see the light of the day before at least next-gen, so in 5 years+ Look at Oculus... it shows how much we still need to improve on that technology to make it worthwhile.

Also, Nintendo, while they did innovate and change the industry by risking a lot (DS, Wii) I don't believe they have had enough time to develop something as advanced as a ''VR''.

Gamers aren't ready yet and I could only see them release such a thing when the industry is bored playing games on their HD tv...
or perhaps they could do another risky surprise, in which case would benefit from a large scale event such as E3, not VGX...



FromDK said:


You have not emty you head.. You are still trapped in the same ideea..

No.. you don't have to move your head at all to get the effect.. becurse the image  will change for you.. arcording to where you look at it.. meaning if you hold your head perfectly still.. and use wiimote/ nunchuc to walk..  the picture above (or 3d game on a 2d screen) will still be perfect 3d from that angel and perspectiv.. (change  real time) and that is not some trick with the eyes.. it's the game that make that efect ..

And funny how many saying VR are shit.. and even gimmick.. when there are som many different VR set on the way.. from the biggest player in the industry..

I really don't think I need to empty my head.

There are only three things that I'd say I'm truly qualified on. Game development (I'm a game developer), twisty puzzles(I hold many world records on Rubik's cubes. Even nerdier than video games but I love them), and 3D/VR(I started designing light field displays when I was 8 or so. Built my first working prototype at 13)

Not trying to impress you, but just express that I know what I'm talking about. Have you experienced head tracking for a 3D effect? It's certainly cool, but no it's not even close to feeling 3D compared to stereoscopic 3D.



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Th3PANO said:
justiceiro said:
Still not believing that they will be there.


It's already confirmed.....


If you are talking about the talk on spike tv where reggie say that MAYBE they will be there, MAYBE they bring something, that they WILL see, this it's not a confirmation at all.

The only thing that bugs me is that all of you take that for garante, and when they not show up, with hell with nintendo, the liar, etc, etc, etc. And say that nintendo has dissapointed again. Its not their fault that everybody made thing up about what they will/should be doing. IF nintendo shows up, cool, if not, thats ok too, and you all should areadly be prepared. With nintendo, never expect something, and they will aways surpass all your expectations.



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JoeTheBro said:
FromDK said:


You have not emty you head.. You are still trapped in the same ideea..

No.. you don't have to move your head at all to get the effect.. becurse the image  will change for you.. arcording to where you look at it.. meaning if you hold your head perfectly still.. and use wiimote/ nunchuc to walk..  the picture above (or 3d game on a 2d screen) will still be perfect 3d from that angel and perspectiv.. (change  real time) and that is not some trick with the eyes.. it's the game that make that efect ..

And funny how many saying VR are shit.. and even gimmick.. when there are som many different VR set on the way.. from the biggest player in the industry..

I really don't think I need to empty my head.

There are only three things that I'd say I'm truly qualified on. Game development (I'm a game developer), twisty puzzles(I hold many world records on Rubik's cubes. Even nerdier than video games but I love them), and 3D/VR(I started designing light field displays when I was 8 or so. Built my first working prototype at 13)

Not trying to impress you, but just express that I know what I'm talking about. Have you experienced head tracking for a 3D effect? It's certainly cool, but no it's not even close to feeling 3D compared to stereoscopic 3D.

Thats a bit cool.. nice  :)

The reason i say emty your head, was becurse i can see that you are tinking at it the wrong way.. I'm not  talking about 3d.. i'm talking about VR.. Virtual reality.. A display infront of the head that changes with the momment..

Let's take Mariokart.. see the (headmontered gyro controlled screen) game from fps.. (not seing the car but the track) And you drive forword and look forword.. that would mean that the track would apear just like normal when we go into the divers view in racing games.. right.. (like looking in the tv screen.. like it is now).. ?

BUT if you then imagine that you continue to drive forward (nunchuk) and you then turn your head..  If the game has set the head momement to motion+ that would mean that you could.. Turn and see you friends avatar, trow a red turtle and then look forward again..

Thats what i mean by Wii-R.. being in a 3d world (on a 2d screen) where the hole world respond to me and where i look..