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When ?

2014 84 44.21%
 
2015 11 5.79%
 
2016 11 5.79%
 
2017 34 17.89%
 
Never 50 26.32%
 
Total:190

they wont be back, they done gone and busted themselves something good



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Am I the only one who wants the Wii U to be supported for 5 years? I plopped 350 on this console, and if they ditched it like you are saying, I would never buy another Nintendo console again. Stop being daft, ditching the Wii U would be a dumb thing for them in the long run.




Mensrea said:
Am I the only one who wants the Wii U to be supported for 5 years? I plopped 350 on this console, and if they ditched it like you are saying, I would never buy another Nintendo console again. Stop being daft, ditching the Wii U would be a dumb thing for them in the long run.


You are not the only one... Unfortunately we are not the majority here...



 

 

We reap what we sow

STRYKIE said:
Pillow said:
STRYKIE said:
Pillow said:
-3rd party support is out of the question, only Ubi seems to be porting their games... And more power will not change anything (look at GCN and N64)
-There is not as many hardcore Nintendo fans as PS hardcore fans, look at GCN and N64 again...
-More power means more resources and more time to develop games are needed = less potential to release a wide array of games (do you rather have F-Zero and Starfox, or just one of them but with slightly better graphic?)
-Better graphic in games doesn't mean more sales, it might help but in the end it probably won't balance out the cost of development. (KZ developers stating 4x the cost for PS4 development...)
-Nintendo has just started HD development, they need more time to master it, Wii U is the perfect platform to experiment that.
-Making a new console so soon will make fans lose confidence in the brand. This is not Apple we're talking about.
-The cheapest and weakest consoles tend to sale the best (Wii, PS1, PS2 etc)
-More power means more problems with Hardware (RROD, YLOD, PS4, XB1...) Wii U might be less powerful but it doesn't have hardware problems. Same for Wii. GCN was just a beast on its own...
-Exclusives dictate everything else.
-Nintendo doesn't care if the hardware doesn't sell, their games sells enough to turn a profit.
-Nintendo has other plans in the work. We don't know yet, but by merging their Handheld and Console departments, something big will come in the next 5 years.
-The time used to think about new gameplay ideas and new features for games will be cut down if they have to focus more on graphics to please a minority, and/or have to delay a game even more... (looking at you Pikmin)

3DS domination exists because of the games it has not because it's under-powered. Most people don't even care about the 3D gimmick.
People that care about power purchased a Vita, looks like power isn't what people want eh? Nintendo knows that.

If people don't care about the Wii U gamepad, but it has the games, like the 3DS, it will sell well.
Wii U hasn't sold well during its first year because of the lack of key franchises, a 2D mario on a console is not like a 3D Mario on a console. Pikmin is not well known, and thats it.

Lol. Wooooow dude. So much living under a rock in this post.


Care to explain your disagreement?

I suppose I did come off a little bit dickish by saying that but I'll explain by bolding what they are in your OP:

Bolded 1: Those consoles did essentially fall short due to lacking the resources developers needed to achieve their visions. By the same their full potential was tapped into, the damage was done and we already had systems with more impressive accolades by that time (Dreamcast against the N64, OG Xbox against the Gamecube)

Bolded 2: They've done it before with the Virtual Boy, and the N64 still retained SNES-level sales in North America. (coming up short in Europe and Japan for entirely different reasons)

Bolded 3: You have to look at why those consoles were successful rather than going off of a trivial coincidence though, I don't think the majority of the Wii's demographic could care less if it had Dreamcast visuals or Wii U visuals. Again, the PS1 did essentially win it's generation because of experiences that were impossible on the N64 (you're probably better off comparing it to the Sega Saturn on that front), and the PS2 gave the PS1 install base every reason and more to stay on board.

Bolded 4: Just because a system doesn't have a meme-worthy hardware specific issue spelled out doesn't mean it's immune to hardware problems. The Gamecube and Wii have both had disc drive issues. The NES had the 72-pin error (albeit, I think this one's blown out of proportion given how much more popular than any other system around that time). The Wii U is far too new and isolated, at least for now, to make rational judgement on would be hardware issues.

Bolded 5: If that was the case, the 360 should've stagnated years ago. It's still going strong on the premise of 3rd party support alone since 2010.

Bolded 6: You're right, there's yet to be a 3D Mario game break 15 million yet. History has proven that 2D Mario games are generally the more viable option as long as they aren't marketed and advertised almost identically to their predecessors. NSMBU is the only bad egg so far.

 

So I'll finish by saying, I don't think it'd be a terrible idea for Nintendo to drop the Wii U in favor of a more tailored system or see it through the rest of the generation either way. They're certainly in a better position to than Sega were on both accounts.

Now we're talking :) 

Bolded 1: I agree to a certain extent, cartridges did cost more back then, for the company and consumers and had less available space. Maybe with the help of Nintendo for compression it would have worked out. (Twilight princess did fit on the 1.5GB GCN mini-disc), and that OOT taking 32mb of space.

Bolded 2: But the difference with VB and Wii U is that we live in the internet era and i'm sure more people are aware about the WiiU than VB back in the days. And we know how the internet will be raging all over the place ;p And the fact that VB only reached 770k, but then they wowed people with the 64. 

Bolded 3: Which is why if Nintendo doesn't give us new experiences (and Sony and MS), people won't be interested buying a new system. Cheap console with new experience tend to do better, for both of those reasons. I should have written new experience next to that! (Can't dismiss SA on the PS2).

Bolded 4: True, too soon to tell but it's a fact that Nintendo makes more durable consoles http://www.lazygamer.net/xbox-360/console-failure-rate-survey-with-a-pie-chart-and-everything/   http://www.electronicsweekly.com/made-by-monkeys/general-design/xbox-360-hits-striking-failure-2009-11/    All consoles have problems,yes , but the rate of failure can greatly vary between one another.

Bolded 5: Well the first thing when you buy a console is looking at the library and compare it with the other consoles. X360 had some popular exclusive such as Halo, Kinect, Gears, Forza. 3rd party does play an important role and were said to be more optimized on Xbox (and the very popular platform for shooter games which made friends of friends buy one),  they are important on both PS3 and Xbox360, and the reason why PS3 has been selling very good for a while is due to the great exclusives more than anything else.

Bolded 6: Yeah, NSMBU failed to distinguish itself from its predecesor on the Wii, and NSMB2 had just come on the 3DS which might have affected potential buyers.

I just don't think Nintendo wants to abandon it that fast after all the efforts they are putting in. It might stay 4 more years on the market, 3 minimum. With many games announced already and more to come, Nintendo seems to be foccussing alot more on the WiiU for 2014-2015 than it was in 2013 (basically this was the year of the 3DS).



I've convinced Sony, Xbox, and even PC fans to want a Wii-U...

I am not gonna waste my time trying to convince supposed Nintendo fans that the Gamepad is good and current power levels are efficient for whole new genres when combined with it.



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The sad part is I'm sure you somehow think this thread is fresh and original.....



Mr Khan said:
Replacing Wii U early would be the end of Nintendo in the home console market. Nobody really remembers what killed Sega, do they?

 

This.

I think releasing another console so soon might be (besides logistically impossible) catastrophic for Nintendo.

Besides, I think the Wii U only needs to be a bit more affordable to start selling decently. And once the PS3 and X360 are out of the market (by the end of 2015) the Wii U will find itself as the only console on the $200-250 range and become the console of choice for:

a) New gamers, as it is a lot easier for parents to shell out $200-250 in a gift for their kids.

b) All of those people who simply CANNOT go for the high end of the spectrum and have to settle with whatever there is in their price range (it sounds harsh but there are some of us  out there who are still poor you know).

c) The secondary console of choice for all those PS4, X1 and PC gamers who have enough money to spend on a secondary console.

So, to wrap things up, if the Wii U becomes more affordable, I think it has a very good chance of recovery and it might end up selling at least 60-70m lifetime.



The Wii U will be lucky to sell 20 million consoles.

The thing is do we really expect Nintendo to wait until 2020 or whenever this gen ends to try and make up for the Wii U? By then people won't give a shit because chances are even if they go all out with the thing by 2016 it's going to be pretty much the same as the Wii in 2010 and on. The other consoles will finally start showing what they can really do with their power and the little third party support it has now will be gone and Nintendo will have several years of irrelevancy ahead. If they come out with something in 2017 that is more powerful Sony and Microsoft will just release something that dwarfs that in capabilities a few years later. Do we really want Nintendo in an endless cycle of "just good enough"? I sure as hell don't.

Nintendo needs to make some changes. Big changes.



Muffin31190 said:

Nope, I think Nintendo should get out of hardware and Just make Software.
Not saying your wrong just that I think Nintendo should get out of the hardware biz.

Wat now

People like you really make me explode inside. Wii= 100 million sales+ DS= 150 million sales+ 3DS= 30 million sales plus (over 2 years)

Obviously, people are buying their hardware. No matter what you play, if you boycott Nintendo for the rest of  your life, or their your favorite company, them stopping hardware would be terrible. Anything that one company succeeds in helps other companies in that industry. Many who bought the Wii got into gaming as a hobby, and then purchased an Xbox 360 or PS3. We could be in a gaming crisis right now if it weren't for them because not enough people would be buying games, and these days they have such huge budgets and possibly all gaming could be dead or moved on to tablets and smartphones. Now surely, you wouldn't want that, right? Nintendo is much too influentual in the hardware industry for gaming. Suddenly, once the Wii U starts getting games and selling, we'll all act surprised like it wasn't bound to happen. And then we'll repeat that every 7 years. 

Not to mention, without them it's possible gaming wouldn't advance besides just more powerful hardware. Does the Wiimote or Wii U tablet ring a bell? How many people bought the Kinect? A shit ton. The Kinect was an obvious derivative of the Wiimote. Whether you like that or not, it helps gaming. 

One more thing, they are good at making hardware. Maybe they're not super powerful, but the funny thing is they don't try to be. When's the last time you heard of a Nintendo console being shipped to somebody completely bricked? Or breaking without being hacked, altered or damaged anyway? Or even falling down a flight of stairs and not working?



xNonox said:
Muffin31190 said:

Nope, I think Nintendo should get out of hardware and Just make Software.
Not saying your wrong just that I think Nintendo should get out of the hardware biz.

Wat now

People like you really make me explode inside. Wii= 100 million sales+ DS= 150 million sales+ 3DS= 30 million sales plus (over 2 years)

Obviously, people are buying their hardware. No matter what you play, if you boycott Nintendo for the rest of  your life, or their your favorite company, them stopping hardware would be terrible. Anything that one company succeeds in helps other companies in that industry. Many who bought the Wii got into gaming as a hobby, and then purchased an Xbox 360 or PS3. We could be in a gaming crisis right now if it weren't for them because not enough people would be buying games, and these days they have such huge budgets and possibly all gaming could be dead or moved on to tablets and smartphones. Now surely, you wouldn't want that, right? Nintendo is much too influentual in the hardware industry for gaming. Suddenly, once the Wii U starts getting games and selling, we'll all act surprised like it wasn't bound to happen. And then we'll repeat that every 7 years. 

Not to mention, without them it's possible gaming wouldn't advance besides just more powerful hardware. Does the Wiimote or Wii U tablet ring a bell? How many people bought the Kinect? A shit ton. The Kinect was an obvious derivative of the Wiimote. Whether you like that or not, it helps gaming. 

One more thing, they are good at making hardware. Maybe they're not super powerful, but the funny thing is they don't try to be. When's the last time you heard of a Nintendo console being shipped to somebody completely bricked? Or breaking without being hacked, altered or damaged anyway? Or even falling down a flight of stairs and not working?


^ Great post. And I agree on this matter as well. Obviously, looking at some of my posts here I don't like exactly how Nintendo is managing themselves recently but all of these idiots saying they "are going to go third party" or "need to go third party" all need to kindly shut the fuck up and accept that it ain't happening, nor should it.

Nintendo is the Disney of the gaming industry. They may not always be the most popular, and they will definitely have their ups and downs, but one thing you can bet on is that they are a staple in their respective industry and a merchandising powerhouse as well.