It's more along the lines of how the supply is allocated; Sony allocated a certain number to NA launch and they have allocated a certain number to launches elsewhere. Where did anyone claim that Sony sold all their stock in the NA launch? Very simple really. I doubt anyone on this forum has the exact information of when production started on each system, the amount produced, and how much they each had for launch. The fact is they both sold around a million units at the initial launch; other than nitpicking the little things, one million units for one company is not greater than one million units for another company.

Xbox sold well over what most on this site hoped for; the only reason to downplay this is based on one's agenda and bias.

Not downplaying their oppening... just the argument is that If Sony decided to release on all 30+ regions they said they will (sum of Nov 15 and 29) they would have sold just 1M (which is assuming that they send all their inventory that were ready for Nov 15 to NA), when in fact as you said they already had stock separeted to EU+others... So if they released "WW" on Nov 15 they would have sold 1.5~2M no doubt... We are seeing downplay from both sides.

Any forums? Yea... so where exactly did MS say this? I have checked sites; other than ebay and half.com, all the major retailers list it as sold out on line. I'm sure it will be coming in and out of stock until demand is met. So forgive me if I don't take random forum posters' claims that there are many Xbox One's in stores everywhere.

Why would 1 million Xbox 1 sales be less than 1 million PS4 sales? Xbox 1 basically sold out of their initial stock. If Sony decided to launch in multiple countries, they would probably sell out their initial stock as well. This is why people are saying that the current stock cannot match the demand during launch. The downplaying comes when people are saying that the Xbox 1 sales are less impressive because they launch in more territories than the PS4. That is ridiculous because the current sales are mainly limited by the supply.  I haven't seen any say that PS4 would have sold only 1 million if they launch in multiple countries.

If PS4 has more supply than the Xbox 1, then of course it is going to sell more at launch. So no, people saying that sales numbers are supplied constraint are not downplaying PS4 sales.

It's more along the lines of how the supply is allocated; Sony allocated a certain number to NA launch and they have allocated a certain number to launches elsewhere. Where did anyone claim that Sony sold all their stock in the NA launch? I doubt anyone on this forum has the exact information of when production started on each system, the amount produced, and how much they each had for launch. So unless we have more information, it is really hard to claim otherwise.

The fact is they both sold around a million units at their initial launches; other than nitpicking the little things, one million units for one company is not greater than one million units for another company. Xbox sold well over what most on this site hoped for; the only reason to downplay this is based on one's agenda and bias.

Why would 1 million Xbox 1 sales be less than 1 million PS4 sales? Xbox 1 basically sold out of their initial stock. If Sony decided to launch in multiple countries, they would probably sell out their initial stock as well. This is why people are saying that the current stock cannot match the demand during launch. The downplaying comes when people are saying that the Xbox 1 sales are less impressive because they launch in more territories than the PS4. That is ridiculous because the current sales are mainly limited by the supply.  I haven't seen any say that PS4 would have sold only 1 million if they launch in multiple countries.

If PS4 has more supply than the Xbox 1, then of course it is going to sell more at launch. So no, people saying that sales numbers are supplied constraint are not downplaying PS4 sales.

Well, maybe you haven't read all posts in the thread, but there are people that said Sony would sell 1M even WW because that is ALL THE INVENTORY THEY HAD (and that is why they delayed the launch to EU 2 weeks from the beggining)... and yes anyone that say that for 1 day sales the supply wasn't the determining factor is a lot crazy... probably haven't had one launch were supply wasn't the problem to have bigger numbers... the only difference this time is that supply was a lot bigger than in previous gen.

They did not sell their initial stock.. all evidence points to far greater demand for PS4....trying to tpin it otherwise is foolishness. PS4 will be double x1 next week.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=172835

Everyone is finding x1 in stores...............

Before anyone gives me shit, let me start off by saying that the 1 million sales in 24 hours by the XBone is quite impressive, but hear me out here. The console launched in 13 countries vs the PS4 launching in only 2, with both selling about the same number within the same time frame. If you average it out, the XBone technically only sold about 77K units per country, vs PS4's 500K + per country. Both had amazing launches, but it's clear that PS4 is outselling the XBone by a large margin, when the console releases in it's other 31 territories in the coming months. I honestly don't find it impossible for the PS4 to be outselling by a 3 to 1 ratio in less than 1/6 of the regions, both of which are arguably XBOX's strongest territories. Not to mention of course, you can still find XBone's in retailers atm, but pretty much every retailer is out of PS4 until March. Think about it for a sec; either XBone is doing just okay or PS4 is doing amazingly. Thoughts?

Yea, so still no credible link to MS saying what you claim. The link to the forum post has nothing but an overpriced Xbox One bundle in stock which people are will to pay $1000 for. There is also a post in there saying that Walmart has PS4s available. The futureshop link says it is sold out and cannot be reserved. So you offer nothing but baseless claims and a link to futureshop that disproves yourself. Thanks, that all I need to know about possible futher discussion with you.