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DialgaMarine on 23 November 2013
Capulous said:
DialgaMarine said:
Capulous said:
They are the same. If MS decided to launch in NA only, they would still sell over a million. It's all limited by stock for both companies right now.

 I somehow doubt that. You're basically implying that M$ produced an almost identical ammount to Sony overall, but just divided it up a lot more. I'm 99% sure they shipped the same ammount of units throughout the US as Sony, if not more, seeing as that's their strongest region (or used to be...). They just didn't sell more becuase there's less interest in the XBone in that region than the PS4. Just wait for the PS4 to release in the rest of it's regions, and it's going to skyrocket past XBone, even though it's probably done that already.

I'm sure you doubt it; how do you explain the difficulty of finding an Xbox One console now?  If it is as you say, there should be over a hundred thousand on shelves and in stock. The PS has always had a stronger brand recognition and following due to it being around longer. It sells better overall in Europe and in Japan; it is expected to lead worldwide. However, launch numbers are supply constrained. 

 My local Gamestop still has them, but I  mentioned in a previous post. Did you ever consider that M$ shipped fewer consoles to retailers because they already knew the demand was low, but they wanted to make it seem high through them still selling out, all in an attempt to make people think they're suddenly popular and want one themselves? It's a simple manufacturing tact, that corporations do with their prodcuts often.





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scat398 on 23 November 2013
DialgaMarine said:
Capulous said:
DialgaMarine said:
Capulous said:
They are the same. If MS decided to launch in NA only, they would still sell over a million. It's all limited by stock for both companies right now.

 I somehow doubt that. You're basically implying that M$ produced an almost identical ammount to Sony overall, but just divided it up a lot more. I'm 99% sure they shipped the same ammount of units throughout the US as Sony, if not more, seeing as that's their strongest region (or used to be...). They just didn't sell more becuase there's less interest in the XBone in that region than the PS4. Just wait for the PS4 to release in the rest of it's regions, and it's going to skyrocket past XBone, even though it's probably done that already.

I'm sure you doubt it; how do you explain the difficulty of finding an Xbox One console now?  If it is as you say, there should be over a hundred thousand on shelves and in stock. The PS has always had a stronger brand recognition and following due to it being around longer. It sells better overall in Europe and in Japan; it is expected to lead worldwide. However, launch numbers are supply constrained. 

 My local Gamestop still has them, but I  mentioned in a previous post. Did you ever consider that M$ shipped fewer consoles to retailers because they already knew the demand was low, but they wanted to make it seem high through them still selling out, all in an attempt to make people think they're suddenly popular and want one themselves? It's a simple manufacturing tact, that corporations do with their prodcuts often.

Sorry to dissapoint you but sony did ship more to the us than ms, and they probably have made more units.  

And the whole "my local gamestop has them" is getting old.  The xbone and the ps4 are both sold out and both are now having their supplies held for black friday.  You will see a few pop up here and there but basically demand is what is shipped at this point.  

Different companies did different strategies to sell their product. 



nuckles87 on 24 November 2013
biggamejames79 said:
PS4, if it launched in 13 countries it would have sold way more than just 1 million. That 2.3 million gamers waiting for PS4 could have put the total over 3 million in 24 hours if supply was available.


What a remarkable number of people don't seem to realize is that the number of territories is irrelevant. BOTH produced a million consoles at launch. BOTH sold through all of those consoles. The only difference here is that the two companies allocated their consoles differently. Sony favored a US first launch while MS decided to be first in Europe. Yes, it can be argued that if Sony had also launched in Europe with ADDITIONAL supply, they would have sold more, but then it could also be argued that if Microsoft had more units available, they could have sold even more at launch. Because BOTH consoles have sold out and are now very scarce, so it is effectively a draw, regardless of the number of territories. 

And yes, the launch numbers of both consoles are impressive, but I think it says more about Sony and MS's manufacturing capabilities then the long term future of their consoles. These first million were bought by the hardcore, die hards and early adopters. Even Wii U sold out at launch. What matters is the long haul, and the performance in the first quarter of next year will be a key indicator. 

Edit: And yes, the Xbone IS sold out. I've been looking carefully for other consoles all day in case the one I was bought for Xmas from Microsoft Store didn't work, and the things are just GONE.



DialgaMarine on 24 November 2013
scat398 said:
DialgaMarine said:
Capulous said:
DialgaMarine said:
Capulous said:
They are the same. If MS decided to launch in NA only, they would still sell over a million. It's all limited by stock for both companies right now.

 I somehow doubt that. You're basically implying that M$ produced an almost identical ammount to Sony overall, but just divided it up a lot more. I'm 99% sure they shipped the same ammount of units throughout the US as Sony, if not more, seeing as that's their strongest region (or used to be...). They just didn't sell more becuase there's less interest in the XBone in that region than the PS4. Just wait for the PS4 to release in the rest of it's regions, and it's going to skyrocket past XBone, even though it's probably done that already.

I'm sure you doubt it; how do you explain the difficulty of finding an Xbox One console now?  If it is as you say, there should be over a hundred thousand on shelves and in stock. The PS has always had a stronger brand recognition and following due to it being around longer. It sells better overall in Europe and in Japan; it is expected to lead worldwide. However, launch numbers are supply constrained. 

 My local Gamestop still has them, but I  mentioned in a previous post. Did you ever consider that M$ shipped fewer consoles to retailers because they already knew the demand was low, but they wanted to make it seem high through them still selling out, all in an attempt to make people think they're suddenly popular and want one themselves? It's a simple manufacturing tact, that corporations do with their prodcuts often.

Sorry to dissapoint you but sony did ship more to the us than ms, and they probably have made more units.  

And the whole "my local gamestop has them" is getting old.  The xbone and the ps4 are both sold out and both are now having their supplies held for black friday.  You will see a few pop up here and there but basically demand is what is shipped at this point.  

Different companies did different strategies to sell their product. 

 You just completely misread my post. In no way am I disappointed in M$ shipping fewer units to the US. In fact, that's what I believe. If my local Gamestop does actually have them, then they have them. That's not me saying that's the case worldwide; I'm simply pointing out that the XBones are out there somewhere, and that there is less demand for them than PS4 is just a fact.





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iamdeath on 24 November 2013
scat398 said:
thismeintiel said:
Dark_Feanor said:
Max King of the Wild said:
thismeintiel said:
The One had a really good launch. It's just going to be completely dwarfed by the PS4 when we get its EU numbers.

To those saying they are the same because MS would have sold 1M if it only launched in NA, that's a silly comparison. If Sony relocated all of their supply to NA, instead of launching in 20+ other countries next week, they probably would have sold ~3M.


This. So much this


They don´t have 3mi to sell before Christmass. They probably don´t have 2mi untill next week.

If they waste all PS4 suppply at smaller markets they are screwed.

There is no magic tree ripped with PS4 to pick and a magic supplay chain ready to delivere then to every custumer that wants it.

Lol, you completely missed the point.  People are acting as if the launches are basically the same, saying that if the One only launched in NA, like the PS4, it would have also sold 1M+ there.  That's a ridiculous statement, since if Sony launched only in NA this year, too, they could have sold ~3M.  I mean, you don't think Sony just made and shipped ~1.5M-2M around the world in the past week, do you?  I hope not.  In truth, EU's PS4s have probably been there for a week or so.

Actually i think you have missed the point if xbox had just launched in north america, yes it would have sold 1 million plus.  There would have been more supply available for sale.  Just like if sony had launched in more countries it would have had less supply available in north america.

Wrong it never came close to 1 million and there is a lot of stock available now... Even major nelson said. It's not hard to figure out, demand is way higher for PS4. MS would not have come close to 1 million in NA if it had stock, it never came close to selling out of it's current stock.



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nuckles87 on 24 November 2013

A "lot" of stock available? Where? I haven't seen any, especially not online.



Capulous on 24 November 2013
iamdeath said:

BS, Major nelson and MS have SAID there is plenty of x1 stock available....Here most stores have multiple consoels still. MS split up their lauynch because they knew they could not match sony in NA, so they launched in 13 countries to try to make it sound like they are in as much demand.. MS sold 500-600K max and never sold out in NA.....The damand is NOT has highe for x1.

Fact is, if Sony launched in the same number of countries, they would have sold a lot more then MS.

Also wrong about PS beng around longer being relevant. Nintendo has been around way longer then both, yet wii-u is not selling much at all... Business is what have you done for me lately type of deal. Sony keeps PS relevant and strong.

Really? Where and when did they say that? Also, where are they available? I have a few friends who are looking to pick one up.

PS being around longer has a lot to do with. They built a big fanbase due to it; especially during the PS2 era. The experiences offered on the Nintendo consoles differs from the experience offered on the PS and Xbox. Nintendo tried to replicate their success from the wii by offering another new type of console gaming experience. They took a risk with the tablet and so far it does not have the success of it's predecessor.



Capulous on 24 November 2013
DialgaMarine said:
Capulous said:
DialgaMarine said:
Capulous said:
They are the same. If MS decided to launch in NA only, they would still sell over a million. It's all limited by stock for both companies right now.

 I somehow doubt that. You're basically implying that M$ produced an almost identical ammount to Sony overall, but just divided it up a lot more. I'm 99% sure they shipped the same ammount of units throughout the US as Sony, if not more, seeing as that's their strongest region (or used to be...). They just didn't sell more becuase there's less interest in the XBone in that region than the PS4. Just wait for the PS4 to release in the rest of it's regions, and it's going to skyrocket past XBone, even though it's probably done that already.

I'm sure you doubt it; how do you explain the difficulty of finding an Xbox One console now?  If it is as you say, there should be over a hundred thousand on shelves and in stock. The PS has always had a stronger brand recognition and following due to it being around longer. It sells better overall in Europe and in Japan; it is expected to lead worldwide. However, launch numbers are supply constrained. 

 My local Gamestop still has them, but I  mentioned in a previous post. Did you ever consider that M$ shipped fewer consoles to retailers because they already knew the demand was low, but they wanted to make it seem high through them still selling out, all in an attempt to make people think they're suddenly popular and want one themselves? It's a simple manufacturing tact, that corporations do with their prodcuts often.

I wouldn't doubt that there are areas where there would still be Xbox Ones available, as well as some areas with the PS4 available. They will be in and out of stock until supply catches up with demand. As for your assumption, it is a possibility, but it sounds more like you are reaching and hoping more than anything else.  Pre-order numbers already let them know how much demand there is and pre-orders sold out well before the system was even launched.



Frequency on 24 November 2013

even if the two consoles were selling identically, come february the xbox would be left in the dust.

bwahahaha...



fatslob-:O on 24 November 2013
Frequency said:
even if the two consoles were selling identically, come february the xbox would be left in the dust.

bwahahaha...

And that's all due to PS cannibalizing the xbox market if you know what I mean.

One market may grow at the expense of another.