And you seem to have forgotten that this is a debate based ENTIRELY on opinion. Though I might add it's an opinion shared by me and virtually everyone who spurned DmC.

Its not an opinion. DMC4 Donte is not Dante. As confirmed by the creator of the series Hideki Kamiya. The reason you have no interest in DMC1 Dante or what the creator of the DMC series has to say is because your a DMC4 fan, not a DMC fan.

Yes, precisely. Getting stabbed all the way through with a sword and then slowly floating yourself out of it, or telling a gigantic bird to "flock off," or screaming at the top of his lungs about dark souls and light after running into a dead girl, or flying away from an exploding castle in an airplane in true RE fashion is most definitely not over the top.

Can you hear yourself? Everything your doing is trying to undermine the DMC series as a whole to improve the quality of DMC4. It dosen't work like that. Each DMC game is a different experience, because Capcom changed the developers for each game. Hence why none of the games are true sequels to the original.

If I was really concerned about DmC as a game, all I would need to do is talk about its combat and the massive step backwards that took, or the awful attempt at writing and a societal commentary

DmC's combat is the best in the series. DMC4 was good, but it needed revisions which DmC provided. Besides DmC is designed to be a satire. DMC4 is designed to be a Hollywood movie. Hence why the Twilight script was so awful.

I countered that by explaining the difference between altering a character to make up for a gap in time and completely changing it.

Yet your explaination is designed to justify DMC4 as a DMC game because it was your first DMC game. The gap in time dosen't explain why DMC4 Donte acts less mature than DMC3 Dante. It dosenn't explain why his face and his body look nothing like his previous iterations. It dosen't explain why his personality is very different from DMC1 or DMC2 Dante.

...and now you're accusing me of forgetting it's a reboot or something.

Again DmC is a reboot. Its a seperate continunity. DMC4 is supposed to be the same contiunity, yet completely derails that continuity by turning Dante into a camp homosexual and by making Nero the emo the new main character. As a DMC1 fan this was completely unacceptable to me. Yet you blindly accepted that because your a DMC4 fan, not a DMC fan.

I'm not sure why DMC4 is such a massive step up in craziness level for Dante. I thought the two flowed fine

Wrong again. The voice and motion actor for DMC3 was asked to play DMC4 Donte differently from DMC3. Hence why the characters are different. DMC4 Donte has no personality. He's simply a camp jester homosexual with no personality. This is not Dante.

Well, first off, since you're insisting on believing things that simply aren't true.

No. The original DMC developers never made the sequels they wanted to make. Capcom insourced the sequels to their other teams. To continue the DMC series past DMC2, Capcom wanted to reboot the series, hence why DMC3 is very different from DMC2. Hence why for DMC3 to exist Capcom had to remove the pre-existing DMC novels. Like I said none of the games are sequels to DMC1. DMC4 was so far from DMC1, as a DMC1 fan, for me DMC4 is not Devil May Cry. Its Twilight nonsense with a camp homo.

It looks beautiful, and it performs wonderfully.

DMC4 Donte's red cowboy boots were 'beautiful' wern't they, for a gay cabereret. Not for Dante though. Thats not Dante.

DMC4's Dante is really the only part that wasn't gameplay/graphics that I enjoyed, and to that end I'll certainly defend him against Donte.

Thats because your a DMC4 fan. As a DMC1 fan, the part I really enjoyed was Dante, and to that end I'll certaintly defend him against the camp homo. DmC made Dante the main character again. It make him a serious character, without embarassing him like DMC4 did.

But if you just want to yell about DMC4's story, then go do so elsewhere.

If you want to explain how much you enjoyed DMC4 Donte, the camp homo, thats fine. Coming into a thread that has nothing to do with DMC4 is nonsense. We both know you need to come here to try and convince DMC fans your 'opinions' are correct. You can't simpy allow us to decide for ourselves, because that would be respectful. But your a DMC4 fan, you don't know anything about showing respect for innocent developers. You deserve to play DMC4, RE6 and FF13.

That wasn't what I was referring to at all, but I might as well address it.

Kamiya wasn't even the one who designed DMC4. Heck, he hasn't been responsible for designing a game in the series since the original title. At this point, he has absolutely no say in what is and isn't canon in the Devil May Cry world. If Capcom, or Itsuno, were to come out and declare DMC4 Dante a different Dante, then you would have a point. But the only one who's done so is a former developer of the series who isn't even parternered with Capcom any longer. 

Can you hear yourself? Everything your doing is trying to undermine the DMC series as a whole to improve the quality of DMC4. It dosen't work like that. Each DMC game is a different experience, because Capcom changed the developers for each game. Hence why none of the games are true sequels to the original.

That's the flimsiest excuse you've made yet, and that's saying something.

I couldn't care less what you think about DMC4, but your repeated denial that DMC4 Dante is similar to DMC1 and DMC3 Dante is what's forced me to reference the older games. I love DMC1 and 3; I think they're both fabulous games, and simply saying that Dante is crazy in those games as well is by no means undermining them. It's correcting your skewed perspective of reality, or in this case, virtual reality.

DmC's combat is the best in the series. DMC4 was good, but it needed revisions which DmC provided. Besides DmC is designed to be a satire. DMC4 is designed to be a Hollywood movie. Hence why the Twilight script was so awful.

I honestly don't believe you've played a Devil May Cry game before if you're saying that.

DmC had no lock on button, the worst boss fights in the entire series, a completely broken style meter, no style changes, was pathetically easy, and even contained color coded enemies that are invincible to all but one weapon. Remember how much that sucked in Metroid Prime? Yeah, it's even worse in a game based around its combat.

DmC was like taking three steps backwards from what DMC4 was and falling into a puddle. 

Yet your explaination is designed to justify DMC4 as a DMC game because it was your first DMC game. The gap in time dosen't explain why DMC4 Donte acts less mature than DMC3 Dante. It dosenn't explain why his face and his body look nothing like his previous iterations. It dosen't explain why his personality is very different from DMC1 or DMC2 Dante.

Right, clearly. Everyone who is older is more serious than their younger self, and everyone looks exactly the same as they age, especially video game characters. Oh, and video game characters also keep exactly the same personality as they age, don't they, Mr. Pink Unicorn?

Again DmC is a reboot. Its a seperate continunity. DMC4 is supposed to be the same contiunity, yet completely derails that continuity by turning Dante into a camp homosexual and by making Nero the emo the new main character. As a DMC1 fan this was completely unacceptable to me. Yet you blindly accepted that because your a DMC4 fan, not a DMC fan.

Yep, clearly. After discussing how I didn't like Nero, I'm completely accepting this. Precisely.

Do you even bother to read people's posts, or do you just spew troll comments with no thought?

The point is that the reboot is garbage. Even if you're trying to design a game that sucks, if it ends up sucking just like you thought it would, it's still a bad game.

No. The original DMC developers never made the sequels they wanted to make. Capcom insourced the sequels to their other teams. To continue the DMC series past DMC2, Capcom wanted to reboot the series, hence why DMC3 is very different from DMC2. Hence why for DMC3 to exist Capcom had to remove the pre-existing DMC novels. Like I said none of the games are sequels to DMC1. DMC4 was so far from DMC1, as a DMC1 fan, for me DMC4 is not Devil May Cry. Its Twilight nonsense with a camp homo.

I was referring to continually insisting that my first DMC game was DMC4, but hey, whatever. Don't bother to read the posts.

DMC4 Donte's red cowboy boots were 'beautiful' wern't they, for a gay cabereret. Not for Dante though. Thats not Dante.

Right, because cowboy boots are such a step back for a guy who spent an entire game with a belt draped over his chest as a shirt.

Quit treating Dante like some sacred video game character who must have his holy image upheld at all costs.

Thats because your a DMC4 fan. As a DMC1 fan, the part I really enjoyed was Dante, and to that end I'll certaintly defend him against the camp homo. DmC made Dante the main character again. It make him a serious character, without embarassing him like DMC4 did.

Yep.

Super serious character.

If you want to explain how much you enjoyed DMC4 Donte, the camp homo, thats fine. Coming into a thread that has nothing to do with DMC4 is nonsense. We both know you need to come here to try and convince DMC fans your 'opinions' are correct. You can't simpy allow us to decide for ourselves, because that would be respectful. But your a DMC4 fan, you don't know anything about showing respect for innocent developers. You deserve to play DMC4, RE6 and FF13.

My post simply stated that people disliked DmC for reasons besides hair, which is relevant to the thread considering the post I was responding to. 

You will recall (well, actually, you probably won't) that it was YOU who brought DMC4 into this conversation to begin with. I'll quote your own post back to you:

Wrong again DMC4 fan.

...

As much as you might like DMC4. This character is NOT Dante. It is a poor imitation at best. Even the creator of the DMC series, Hideki Kamiya, has confirmed that the only true Dante is the original character from DMC1. Who was not a goofball. What your reffering to is the camp imposter from the picture above.

Either way blaming Ninja Theory for changing Dante is ridiculous. Dante has changed in every DMC game. Only the original character is the true iteration of Dante. DmC Dante is simply a new iteration of the character. DMC4 Dante is a ridiculous camp jester, he's not like DMC1 Dante what so ever, making those awful homoerotic poses (see above). Failing to understand that is NOT Ninja Theory's fault.

YOU were the one who originally brought Devil May Cry 4 into this topic. You were the one who started whining about DMC4 Dante to begin with. 

And the rest of that post is just slander so I'm going to ignore it. 

And the rest of that post is just slander so I'm going to ignore it: 

That's the flimsiest excuse you've made yet, and that's saying something.

Lol. Typical DMC4 fan, whenever you can't answer something you say something like that to justify DMC4.

But the only one who's done so is a former developer of the series who isn't even parternered with Capcom any longer.

Lol. Capcom also say DmC Dante is Dante? Does that make it true? No, not exactly. It dosen't work like that. DMC fans know that Dante has changed in every game.

Besides, Reuben Langdon, the voice actor for DMC3/4 Dante has confirmed that Capcom asked him to play DMC4 Donte differently from previous iterations of the character. So theres your confirmation. Capcom wanted DMC4 Dante to be portrayed differently from preceeding iterations.

Kamiya wasn't even the one who designed DMC4. Heck, he hasn't been responsible for designing a game in the series since the original title.

Exactly, without Hideki Kamiya DMC would not exist. To deny his views on the series is to deny what it means for Devil May Cry to be Devil May Cry. The only way you can justify DMC4 as a good game is by undermining the previous games in the series. Typical DMC4 fan behaviour.

At this point, he has absolutely no say in what is and isn't canon in the Devil May Cry world.

Same point as before. You need to undermine Hideki Kamiya's work on the original games to justify the changes that were made to accomodate DMC4; your first DMC game. Dosen't work like that. Hideki Kamiya's work exists whether you like it or not; you can't change that for DMC4 to exist Capcom had to cut his work out of cannon. That dosen't make DMC4 a good game unfortunately.

DmC had no lock on button

Actually DmC features the series first maunal lock on; compared to the automatic lock on of previous games. You need to undermine DmC because you know DMC4 is garbage. DMC4 simply cannot stand on its own merits, hence why you need to lie for your camp homo. Hideaki Itsuno has already confirmed that he and Capcom Japan designed DmC to improve on the weaknesses of DMC4. Which was not a fun game. The only way you can be right is if you are calling Hideaki Itsuno a liar? Which is it DMC4 fan?

DmC was like taking three steps backwards from what DMC4 was and falling into a puddle.

Now I know you are a lying DMC4 fan and nothing more. Anyone who's played the previous DMC games would know how DmC drastically improves on the previous games.

Everyone who is older is more serious than their younger self, and everyone looks exactly the same as they age, especially video game characters. Oh, and video game characters also keep exactly the same personality as they age, don't they, Mr. Pink Unicorn?

Hence why the camp homo is not Dante. He's inconsistant with previous incarnations. If you look at other games like say God of War, Kratos is a consistant character. His personality inherently changes in conjuction with his natural character traits. He also looks the same in every game. DMC4 Donte dosen't actually look like Dante, nor does he behave like him. Like I said you need to do what your doing now, because you know DMC4 simply cannot stand on its own merits. Its not good enough to be in the same league as DMC1.

Right, because cowboy boots are such a step back for a guy who spent an entire game with a belt draped over his chest as a shirt.

Dont' know who your reffering to. Yet the point isn't just DMC4 Donte's attire. The fact is DMC1 Dante never wore red cowboy boots, he never made homoerotic poses. He was never a camp homosexual. Thats not Dante. It never was.

Which is relevant to the thread considering the post I was responding to.

Its not relevant to the thread. Your only interested in attacking Ninja Theory because the only way you can justify DMC4 continuing is by underming DmC and the previous DMC games. Hence why you have come here. The only way you have a case is if DmC was a bad game, because DMC4 simply cannot stand on its own merits. You can simply tell people to decide for themselves which they like, but you can't let that happen; you need lie for DMC4 because you know DMC4 stands no chance in a balanced comparasion to the previous games and DmC. 

Lol. Typical DMC4 fan, whenever you can't answer something you say something like that to justify DMC4. 

Except I did answer it. I wrote an entire paragraph in response, right under that sentence.

Are you even reading these posts, or just writing whatever comes to mind?

Lol. Capcom also say DmC Dante is Dante? Does that make it true? No, not exactly. It dosen't work like that. DMC fans know that Dante has changed in every game.

Except Capcom didn't say that. They've repeatedly said DmC Dante is from another universe. If they did say that DmC was in the same universe as DMC, and that it was a prequel instead of a reboot, yes, that would make them the same character.

Besides, Reuben Langdon, the voice actor for DMC3/4 Dante has confirmed that Capcom asked him to play DMC4 Donte differently from previous iterations of the character. So theres your confirmation. Capcom wanted DMC4 Dante to be portrayed differently from preceeding iterations.

...and your point? Robert Downey Jr. was told to play Tony Stark differently in Iron Man 3 than Iron Man 1 and 2. Does that make Tony Stark a different character inbetween the two movies?

All you're doing is arguing that DMC4 Dante is different in some way, which I've repeatedly agreed on. The issue is the degree of difference.

Exactly, without Hideki Kamiya DMC would not exist. To deny his views on the series is to deny what it means for Devil May Cry to be Devil May Cry. The only way you can justify DMC4 as a good game is by undermining the previous games in the series. Typical DMC4 fan behaviour.

And how exactly have I undermined it?

Kamiya isn't in charge of the series anymore. I appreciate what he's done for DMC, as well as Viewtiful Joe and Okami, but the fact of the matter is his opinions are no longer canon for the series. If he said that Dante was suddenly a magic blowfish that had a fetish for cheesticks, would denying that be denying what it means for DMC to be DMC?

Same point as before. You need to undermine Hideki Kamiya's work on the original games to justify the changes that were made to accomodate DMC4; your first DMC game. Dosen't work like that. Hideki Kamiya's work exists whether you like it or not; you can't change that for DMC4 to exist Capcom had to cut his work out of cannon. That dosen't make DMC4 a good game unfortunately.

You do love your straw men, don't you?

I have never once declared that DMC1 or DMC3 was a bad game, or that they don't exist, or anything else that you're accusing me of. All I've stated is the (fairly obvious) fact that DMC1 and 3 Dante were both cheesy and over the top. I'm not trying to get rid of his work, despite your silly insistence to the contrary. However, he doesn't have control of the series any longer.

Actually DmC features the series first maunal lock on; compared to the automatic lock on of previous games. You need to undermine DmC because you know DMC4 is garbage. DMC4 simply cannot stand on its own merits, hence why you need to lie for your camp homo. Hideaki Itsuno has already confirmed that he and Capcom Japan designed DmC to improve on the weaknesses of DMC4. Which was not a fun game. The only way you can be right is if you are calling Hideaki Itsuno a liar? Which is it DMC4 fan?

You completely lost all credibility at this point.

Let's go over the terms "manual" and "automatic," shall we?

Manual means having to do something by entering some form of command to change circumstances. Automatic means said something is done automatically. In DMC4(and all of its predecessors) you have to press a button in order to lock on to an enemy. DmC has the player automatically lock on. It will pick an enemy for you to focus on based on what you're closest to and what direction you're moving.

You can read this entire discussion on it if you're not convinced.

Anyway, the fact that you didn't even know that DMC4 had a manual lock on convinces me that either you have no grasp at all on the English language or you've just never played the previous DMC games. Which is it?

Now I know you are a lying DMC4 fan and nothing more. Anyone who's played the previous DMC games would know how DmC drastically improves on the previous games.

Except for, you know, all those Devil May Cry fans who played it and didn't like it.

And, right, of course. The classic "anyone who doesn't share my opinion is a liar." Watertight argument you got going there.

Maybe you could look up a guide on debate tactics while you're researching the meanings behind the words "automatic" and "manual."

Hence why the camp homo is not Dante. He's inconsistant with previous incarnations. If you look at other games like say God of War, Kratos is a consistant character. His personality inherently changes in conjuction with his natural character traits. He also looks the same in every game. DMC4 Donte dosen't actually look like Dante, nor does he behave like him. Like I said you need to do what your doing now, because you know DMC4 simply cannot stand on its own merits. Its not good enough to be in the same league as DMC1.

Well, you had no credibility before. Now that you're seriously referencing God of War as a positive example of storytelling, you have negative credibility.

At any rate, your argument seems to be "Dante changed, and since he's different he must not be the same character."

I wasn't aware character development is illegal in the land where automatic and manual have reversed meaning.

Dont' know who your reffering to.

Oh, you know, maybe this guy.

Seriously, you expect me to believe you've played Devil May Cry 3 when you didn't even know that?

The fact is DMC1 Dante never wore red cowboy boots, he never made homoerotic poses. He was never a camp homosexual. Thats not Dante. It never was.

You should probably do some work on your definition of "homosexual" as well.

Its not relevant to the thread. Your only interested in attacking Ninja Theory because the only way you can justify DMC4 continuing is by underming DmC and the previous DMC games. Hence why you have come here. The only way you have a case is if DmC was a bad game, because DMC4 simply cannot stand on its own merits. You can simply tell people to decide for themselves which they like, but you can't let that happen; you need lie for DMC4 because you know DMC4 stands no chance in a balanced comparasion to the previous games and DmC.  

Well, at least you've admitted that you were the one who brought DMC4 into the thread. That's a step up from COMPLETELY lying.

Even if DMC4 was a completely awful game, I still wouldn't like DmC. DmC is a big step back for combat, a horrible attempt at storytelling, and an even worse attempt at making deep and engaging characters while ridding us of a protagonist who was arguably one of the funniest ones around. Considering we're in an age where the average video game protagonist is a silent military veteran who's only expressable emotion is quiet determination, it's a sad loss.

To be fair, I thought DMC4 was the second worst game in the series until DmC came around. 

I get the sense that you have some sort of vendetta against DMC4, and you feel the need to accuse everyone who doesn't like DmC of being a DMC4 fanboy. 

Except Capcom didn't say that. They've repeatedly said DmC Dante is from another universe. If they did say that DmC was in the same universe as DMC, and that it was a prequel instead of a reboot, yes, that would make them the same character.

Actually no, Capcom confirmed that as his core this character is Dante, as any other previous iteration of the series. Are you calling Hideaki Itsuno and Capcom Japan liars now. Thats what it comes down to; why should I believe you over Capcom Japan and Hideki Kamiya creator of the DMC series?

...and your point? Robert Downey Jr. was told to play Tony Stark differently in Iron Man 3 than Iron Man 1 and 2. Does that make Tony Stark a different character inbetween the two movies?

Lol. Hahahaha. There are many factors to consider with that. Such as RDJ's personality is consistant within the three IM films. DMC4 Donte (the camp homo) sounds different, looks different, and acts entirely differntly from the original Dante. The point is, he was meant to.

Kamiya isn't in charge of the series anymore. I appreciate what he's done for DMC, as well as Viewtiful Joe and Okami, but the fact of the matter is his opinions are no longer canon for the series. If he said that Dante was suddenly a magic blowfish that had a fetish for cheesticks, would denying that be denying what it means for DMC to be DMC?

You've contradicted yourself: 

You do love your straw men, don't you?

Here to undermine Hideki Kamiya's views on the DMC series, you've constructed a straw man argument to justify the existance of the camp homo. Hence why you can't explain why it was acceptable for Capcom to remove his novels and the origin story Hideki Kamiya established as cannon. You can't answer this question because you know deep down DMC4 is not a sequel to DMC1, and it was never intended to be. 

Manual means having to do something by entering some form of command to change circumstances. Automatic means said something is done automatically. In DMC4(and all of its predecessors) you have to press a button in order to lock on to an enemy. DmC has the player automatically lock on. It will pick an enemy for you to focus on based on what you're closest to and what direction you're moving.

You completely lost all credibility at this point.

Let's go over the terms "manual" and "automatic," shall we?

You have lost every ounce of credibility at this point. I know for a fact now your are not a DMC fan; merley a DMC4 fan trying to justify the existance of the camp homo. This is why:

DmC has the player automatically lock on. It will pick an enemy for you to focus on based on what you're closest to and what direction you're moving.

Wrong again. DmC features the series first fully functioning manual lock. I suggest you play it to see how badly you just failed and proved me right (again):

DmC's lock-on is assigned to the L3 stick. When you don't touch the L3 stick, the lock-on is in 'neutral'. You lock-on to an enemy by pointing the L3 stick in the direction of the enemy you want. To switch targets you move the L3 stick in the direction of the enemy you want. Explain to me how this is automatic?

In DMC4 the lock-on is AUTOMATIC. You see: It will pick an enemy for you to focus on based on what you're closest to. Thats how the lock on in DMC4 works. To MAINTAIN that lock on the enemy you MUST hold the R1 BUTTON LOCk. Lol. The reason this button lock exists is because DMC4 (as in previous games) is because the lock-on is automatic. Hence the games would be unplayable without this button to hold the automatic lock on a specific target.

Did that enter your brain yet? Because this next bit will expose you entirely:

Now are you listening carefully DMC4 fan. You CANNOT switch targets in DMC4 manually. To switch targets in DMC4 you need to hold the button lock and you must press L3 similtaneously. When you press L3 the AI AUTOMATICALLY allocates the next target based on a pre-determined cycle of enemies. This is completely automated.

You've just been exposed as a lying DMC4 fan. Now that you understand how lock-on works, tell me DMC4 fan. You were so against DmC's lock on when you thought it was automatic (because thats what other DMC4 fans told you), yet now you know that DmC's lock-on is entirely manual compared to DMC4's automatic and actually broken lock-on:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOhBvmr-w_g

Now if you are a true DMC fan as you claim why did you blindly accept that shit DMC4? Or was I right the whole time and you really were just a lying DM4 fan? Which is it?

Maybe you could look up a guide on debate tactics while you're researching the meanings behind the words "automatic" and "manual."

See above for the guidebook I just gave you DMC4 fan. I knew you didn't know anything about Devil May Cry. Looks like I was right! Lol.

Well, you had no credibility before. Now that you're seriously referencing God of War as a positive example of storytelling, you have negative credibility.

Where have I said God of War is 'postive storytelling'?

The point about God of War is Kratos is completely consistant throughout the series. Whether the game is good or bad is irrelevant. The character looks the same, sounds the same (same actor throughout) and acts the same throughout the series. Dante is voiced by 4 different actors at this point, he looks different in every game, different motion actors have lended their likeness to him, he acts diferrently in every DMC game. There are some similarities between each character. Yet the character has changed in every game because Devil May Cry is an inconsistant series. Thats partly to do with Capcom being such a big studio with management issues, allocating a new Devil May Cry game to different internal teams compared to God of War which has always been made by the same team, or the team which work on the handheld games. That team works in coordination with Sony Santa Monica. Thats why God of War is highly consistant. compared to DMC, where the subsequent teams never communicated with the original team or Hideki Kamiya. 

I get the sense that you have some sort of vendetta against DMC4, and you feel the need to accuse everyone who doesn't like DmC of being a DMC4 fanboy.

You have a vendetta against DmC because Capcom didn't want to continue the Twilight story and the camp homo. Why is that Ninja Theory's problem?

You should probably do some work on your definition of "homosexual" as well.

Red cowboy boots are homosexual:

Wearing red cowboy boots and making homoerotic poses is also homosexual. Fact, Devil May Cry 1 never started with this shit. If Ninja Theory didn't get rid of camp Donte, it would have been more Twilight nonsense with Nero and Kyrie. Which it already was with DMC4.

Well, I stand corrected. I had thought you couldn't go any lower than your current level of credibility, but here you are, surpassing (or perhaps, undercutting) expectations once more.

Actually no, Capcom confirmed that as his core this character is Dante, as any other previous iteration of the series. Are you calling Hideaki Itsuno and Capcom Japan liars now. Thats what it comes down to; why should I believe you over Capcom Japan and Hideki Kamiya creator of the DMC series?

Where do I even begin with this. Capcom has repeatedly said that this is a different Dante than the one from the previous series. They've repeatedly claimed it's a reboot, happening in an alternate universe, a point which you yourself brought up at least 5 times earlier. Are you now going back on your own argument?

Lol. Hahahaha. There are many factors to consider with that. Such as RDJ's personality is consistant within the three IM films. DMC4 Donte (the camp homo) sounds different, looks different, and acts entirely differntly from the original Dante. The point is, he was meant to.

Yeah, right. Completely consistent personality. Like how he goes from a drinking, womanizing party boy to a person who genuinely cares about others with a steady relationship at the end of Iron Man 3. Absolute consistency.

Is character development frowned upon in wherever you're from?

Here to undermine Hideki Kamiya's views on the DMC series, you've constructed a straw man argument to justify the existance of the camp homo. Hence why you can't explain why it was acceptable for Capcom to remove his novels and the origin story Hideki Kamiya established as cannon. You can't answer this question because you know deep down DMC4 is not a sequel to DMC1, and it was never intended to be. 

By all means, please tell me where my straw man is.

As I've said, I couldn't care less about DMC4's story. I'm not sure why you're harping on that so much. No one here is arguing about DMC4's story. You're merely attempting to turn this into a debate about whether DMC4 is overall a good game or not. This is simply about the game's iterations of Dante.

I'm ignoring any further attempt to change the subject.

DmC's lock-on is assigned to the L3 stick. When you don't touch the L3 stick, the lock-on is in 'neutral'. You lock-on to an enemy by pointing the L3 stick in the direction of the enemy you want. To switch targets you move the L3 stick in the direction of the enemy you want. Explain to me how this is automatic?

Do you actually have any concept of what a lock on is? Serious question. Not trying to be insulting, but do you really know what a lock on is?

Your argument is equivalent to saying "You can lock on to enemies in Halo by pointing the cursor over them."

A lock on button in an action game is a button that, when you press it (or hold it), your character's movements become relative to that enemy. DmC has no such thing. It has an AUTOMATIC lock on system, in which the game decides which character you lock on to based on relative positions and directions with no additional input from the player besides those two categories.

A MANUAL lock on system is one where the player can pick the target they lock on to via button presses or some other input besides relative position and direction. Is DMC4 an example of a game where you can instantly select any enemy for a lock on? Certainly not, you have to cycle through enemies to get to the one you want. But that simple fact alone doesn't make it automatic.

Even the people supporting DmC as a game acknowledge it has no manual lock on.

Heck, even NINJA THEORY THEMSELVES say that DmC has no manual lock on, and that the previous DMC games did.

So yeah, good try, but no. Keep looking at those definitions.

The point about God of War is Kratos is completely consistant throughout the series. Whether the game is good or bad is irrelevant. The character looks the same, sounds the same (same actor throughout) and acts the same throughout the series. Dante is voiced by 4 different actors at this point, he looks different in every game, different motion actors have lended their likeness to him, he acts diferrently in every DMC game. There are some similarities between each character. Yet the character has changed in every game because Devil May Cry is an inconsistant series. Thats partly to do with Capcom being such a big studio with management issues, allocating a new Devil May Cry game to different internal teams compared to God of War which has always been made by the same team, or the team which work on the handheld games. That team works in coordination with Sony Santa Monica. Thats why God of War is highly consistant. compared to DMC, where the subsequent teams never communicated with the original team or Hideki Kamiya. 

This is precisely the point.

Kratos never undergoes any development, never develops any personality change besides "rargh I'm angrier than usual," and never becomes any sort of a character. Referencing him as a positive example is beyond silly.

You have a vendetta against DmC because Capcom didn't want to continue the Twilight story and the camp homo. Why is that Ninja Theory's problem?

Or because it was a bad game with an even worse story. But hey, keep telling yourself whatever you want to believe.

And, regardless, it's Ninja Theory's problem because no one buys their game. 

That is too bad. I like them because they don't pump out sequel after sequel. They do these one-off games, although I would say that is because of poor sales of their games. Heavenly Sword was a solid game, Enslaved was great! I never tried DMC, although I do plan on playing it at some point. They just need support from the gaming community.

2 ppl are raging against one another over DMC in this thread, just to settle things: DMC4 was an abomination! Terrible, terrible game. And this whole discussion over Dante's personality from one game to another - who the fuck cares. He's a dipshit in cool threads with a big sword and dual guns. He has cheesy lines because that's how Capcom do, Ninja Theory maintained somewhat of his spirit but freshened him up a little. His look/character somewhat changed from one game to the other because of the different dev teams, while the comparison to Kratos is silly, because Kratos was cool as hell in the first game, and then just became more of the same moving forward. Let's just all be friends! Raging over Dante for 2 pages straight is so not worth it!

Terrible is taking things a bit far. It was certainly a step down from DMC3, but it's not an abomination by any means. The gameplay was essentially DMC3's gameplay, with tweaks made to make things easier (save for Nero, which is unfortunately a thing).

Nobody here is raging. It's a debate, and opposing viewpoints disagree sharply. It's kind of the name of the game. If you don't like it, by all means, don't feel pressured to participate. But we (or at least I do) enjoy it, so we'll keep going.

I wish Ninja theory never developed DmC

that way every thread about them doesn't get turned into a mess.