Asking for something you are not doing yourself is a bit silly. Its not the biggest launch in history. More Iphones have been sold in less time.

You do not know what the number of failed consoles is.

Sony isnt going to come out and admit anything that makes them look bad unless they have to.

It took them weeks to be honest about the hack.

It took a class action lawsuit for them to admit the PS2 had issues.

Perspective is something maybe you should also get.

My friends uncles grandmas nephews best friends fiance  is working at best buy and they sold 1000 PS4s and guess how many returned their console  OVER9000.

Btw you do know that people are not forced to return a console within the first 3 days or so? + people buy christmas presents and some PS4s are not even opened yet. + a ton of them are on ebay right now and thats why noone knows if they are broken or not.
So your 0 means absolutely nothing at all.  Time will tell not some random guy at a random shop.



back on topic.

1200 Amazon reviews and 400+ with broken consoles... that is quite worrying. It was enough for amazon to stop selling them.

Also  reported does not mean = existing  just reported. When I buy something like a console I usually know how it works that pressing some buttons for a few seconds  resets video settings etc. I can also read the manual and if its not working I just send it back and get a new one. Why call the some incompetent manufacturer service hotline with people that have less of an idea whats going on than i do?

btw
Sony always knows how to twiste or at least hide things. 
Shipped VS sold.
Footage directly captured from PS3 VS running in realtime on PS3.
(It can still be a UBERMEGAHYPERULTRA settings with 99AA downsampled from 8k and converted into the finest Bluray quality possible and then just run via the internal bluray player. It does not mean that its PS3 graphics)
And the reported stuff.
BONUS: We HAVE to make you pay for online because its to expensive for us (well then let the gamers host their own servers on their consoles and let friends join for free.  Keep the paying shit for people that care about competitions etc.)

its all damage control.

Asking for something you are not doing yourself is a bit silly. Its not the biggest launch in history. More Iphones have been sold in less time.

You do not know what the number of failed consoles is.

Sony isnt going to come out and admit anything that makes them look bad unless they have to.

It took them weeks to be honest about the hack.

It took a class action lawsuit for them to admit the PS2 had issues.

Perspective is something maybe you should also get.

We are on a videogames website discussing consoles, this has been the biggest launch for consoles in history, context, get some.

Nobody knows what the true failure rate is, and i never claimed to know, simply that when you are looking at 2 to 3 times the number of consoles shipping then logic would suggest that theres going to be 2 to 3 times as many potentially faulty systems.

No company is going to come forward with an official statement until they are completely aware of the exact extent of the situation, they arent for example going to come forward and say "your accounts and all your information has been comprimised" if theres potential for them to discover days later that infact, only a small portion of information was taken. While it sucks for the end user, at least have the presence of mind to ask yourself WHY they took so long.

Again, a company, ANY company, are going to do their best to downplay or sidestep any issue that can negatively impact their business, this is not something exclusively limited to Sony, but more to the point, entirely not even related to the topic at hand, so why you brought it up is unknown to me.

I clearly have plenty of perspective, and my initial comment about keeping perspective as to the increased potential for reported failures is based on solid and sound probability, try harder dude, try harder.

Don't get me wrong, I get it, I really do, positive Sony news can be hard to swallow for some.

Clearly 0 means 0 even if annedoctal...

And 400 DOA on Amazon 100k sells would mean 0.4% so it's still inside Shu figures... so please go complain about a HW you won't buy elsewhere.

We are on a videogames website discussing consoles, this has been the biggest launch for consoles in history, context, get some.

Nobody knows what the true failure rate is, and i never claimed to know, simply that when you are looking at 2 to 3 times the number of consoles shipping then logic would suggest that theres going to be 2 to 3 times as many potentially faulty systems.

No company is going to come forward with an official statement until they are completely aware of the exact extent of the situation, they arent for example going to come forward and say "your accounts and all your information has been comprimised" if theres potential for them to discover days later that infact, only a small portion of information was taken. While it sucks for the end user, at least have the presence of mind to ask yourself WHY they took so long.

Again, a company, ANY company, are going to do their best to downplay or sidestep any issue that can negatively impact their business, this is not something exclusively limited to Sony, but more to the point, entirely not even related to the topic at hand, so why you brought it up is unknown to me.

I clearly have plenty of perspective, and my initial comment about keeping perspective as to the increased potential for reported failures is based on solid and sound probability, try harder dude, try harder.

Don't get me wrong, I get it, I really do, positive Sony news can be hard to swallow for some.

That takes in a false assumption that everyone who has a DOA or just bricked PS4 in general gives a poor review.  It isn't 400 out of 100k.  It's 400 out of 1200.  People are more likely to give a bad review if this happens, but not at a 100% rate.  Just as people do not give a 5/5 star review at a 100% rate.  Obviously the failure rate must be very high for Amazon to take action.  Not 0.4%.  But it also isn't 30% or whatever other people are saying either.  Amazon's rate though is clearly higher than elsewhere and they have one of if not the largest amount shipped to them by Sony (Maybe Walmart has more?  Not sure though).  Either way, we won't know for a while.  And I doubt Sony will ever report the numbers.  More likely a source at Amazon reports what they have been seeing on their end.

We are on a videogames website discussing consoles, this has been the biggest launch for consoles in history, context, get some.

Nobody knows what the true failure rate is, and i never claimed to know, simply that when you are looking at 2 to 3 times the number of consoles shipping then logic would suggest that theres going to be 2 to 3 times as many potentially faulty systems.

No company is going to come forward with an official statement until they are completely aware of the exact extent of the situation, they arent for example going to come forward and say "your accounts and all your information has been comprimised" if theres potential for them to discover days later that infact, only a small portion of information was taken. While it sucks for the end user, at least have the presence of mind to ask yourself WHY they took so long.

Again, a company, ANY company, are going to do their best to downplay or sidestep any issue that can negatively impact their business, this is not something exclusively limited to Sony, but more to the point, entirely not even related to the topic at hand, so why you brought it up is unknown to me.

I clearly have plenty of perspective, and my initial comment about keeping perspective as to the increased potential for reported failures is based on solid and sound probability, try harder dude, try harder.

Don't get me wrong, I get it, I really do, positive Sony news can be hard to swallow for some.

Wow someone got upset by the truth and wants to a jerk about it....

"We are on a videogames website discussing consoles, this has been the biggest launch for consoles in history, context, get some."
Pointless dribble just to throw an insult. Childish to say the least. Do you really think I don't know where I am or how I got here? LOL.

"Nobody knows what the true failure rate is, and i never claimed to know"

Really now? I guess you have some memory issues cause you just claimed this in your post

"Failure rates are actually normal"

So if we dont know them, how can you claim they are normal? 

Would love to discuss this but it would be like talking about PCs with a caveman. All you seem to be able to do is blindly defend while trying to belittle people for not being as easy to persuade as you are.

What I get from your post is you will do anything or say anything to defend them even if it defies common sense to do so. Yes Sony was only thinking of their consumers when they hid the hack. I am sure they were also thinking of consumers when they charged them 150 to fix the inferior drives they put in the PS2 as well.

I wonder what you are going to backtrack on next. You're already claiming you dont know the failure rate after proclaiming to know them.

You are saying Sony knows the failure rate, yet in your next response say things like that take weeks to figure out in relation to the hack. Which is it again? Take some time to think it over and maybe stick to one story then post it. Try not to come off as a jerk and I wont point out all your weak flaws next time. Kbye thanks for playing