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Ljink96 said:
ps4tw said:
Ljink96 said:
ps4tw said:
Ljink96 said:
Guys, do you realize Wii U just won this year just because of this? The thing is cheap, has 2 major games out already "WW HD" and the critically acclaimed "Super Mario 3D World". And Mario Kart& Smash Bros are expected for 2014. You have to have games to sell a console and game take time. PS4 and Xbone will take off, just not this year. I find it kinda funny though that Xbone and PS4 are at the exact same(according to vgchartz) sales and PS4 has only been sold in the US while Xbone has been sold in US+Europe... strange.


Hahahaha. The ps4 and xb1 have already sold about 25% of what the wiiu has in under a month. The wiiu may have won the worst console sales of the decade award and thats about it. 


Why do you just have to direct this to a Wii U failure post? I said what has only been true. I don't go buying consoles if the games suck butt on it just because. I'll get a PS4 when the RPGs come out. The Wii U might not be as powerful but it has a creative edge that no other company can match and you can see that with titles like SM3DW. I don't care who wins this gen as long as I get good clean games.

What creative edge lol sony have snapped up all the good indie developers. SM3DW ooo another 3d mario just what ive been wanting, no wait that was done on the n64. 

If you want more of the same, stick with nintendo, if you want a htpc, go for the xb1, if you want an 8th gen games console, go for the ps4.


And Call of Duty isn't more of the same? And even so, who gives a crap. If you have a working formula, why change it? Give me an example of a game that doesn't use a concept from Nintendo and I'll kill myself. Everything was done on the NES, now everything is just a descendant of that.

who is talking about call of duty? I aint so why are you? Because you know nintendo are masters of flogging a dead horse and so try to say a multiplatform somehow means sony and microsoft are doing the same? 
Why change a working formula? because people want change, improvements and not just endless polish as shown by call of duty and battlefield, and a dying nintendo. 

Okay well here goes. Fallout. Morrowind. From Dust. Flower. Journey. Ico. Shadow of the Collosus. Prince of Persia: Sands of Time. Arma. Flashpoint. Starcraft. Shogun Total War. Dear Esther. The Walking Dead. I'm guessing I won't be hearing from you again so cya. 



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ps4tw said:
MTZehvor said:
ps4tw said:
MTZehvor said:
ps4tw said:
MTZehvor said:
Pemalite said:

And sorry MTZehvor for hijacking your debate. :P

You need not apologize to me. I'm personally amazed you got him to admit that he was wrong about anything, ever.


Permalite had an argument that was addressing what I said. Your argument was just crazy blabbering and nothing technical. See, when you actually know what your talking about, it helps in a debate. #craziness

...did you really just use a hashtag in a debate?

...seriously?

Well, that's it. I'm out. I'd continue, but it's readily apparent that convincing someone who can't even define a single generation with his contradictory graphical standards is a task that would take decisive evidence or a miracle from Jesus. And in the realms of a definition debate, neither of those seems likely.

Boohoo youve seen how your argument is wrong and now your running away. Me and Permalite are working on a definition for an 8th gen engine and its coming along quite nicely so hah, your point sucks and you cant big up to that fact. 

Oh? You've admitted your definition was wrong?

Glad to see you came around to this side of things in the end.


Wrong as in needed refinining not wrong as in it cant be done so soon your argument will be shit outta luck.

Ha ha. I'll be waiting, then.



MTZehvor said:
ps4tw said:
MTZehvor said:
ps4tw said:
MTZehvor said:
ps4tw said:
MTZehvor said:
Pemalite said:

And sorry MTZehvor for hijacking your debate. :P

You need not apologize to me. I'm personally amazed you got him to admit that he was wrong about anything, ever.


Permalite had an argument that was addressing what I said. Your argument was just crazy blabbering and nothing technical. See, when you actually know what your talking about, it helps in a debate. #craziness

...did you really just use a hashtag in a debate?

...seriously?

Well, that's it. I'm out. I'd continue, but it's readily apparent that convincing someone who can't even define a single generation with his contradictory graphical standards is a task that would take decisive evidence or a miracle from Jesus. And in the realms of a definition debate, neither of those seems likely.

Boohoo youve seen how your argument is wrong and now your running away. Me and Permalite are working on a definition for an 8th gen engine and its coming along quite nicely so hah, your point sucks and you cant big up to that fact. 

Oh? You've admitted your definition was wrong?

Glad to see you came around to this side of things in the end.


Wrong as in needed refinining not wrong as in it cant be done so soon your argument will be shit outta luck.

Ha ha. I'll be waiting, then.


Glad to see you werent actually keeping up with the conversation.

So far it looks like this - a next gen engine is one that supports real-time global illumination, significantly increased particle count and features of the dx11 api at a min of 30fps @1080p, allowing for upscaling. If a console can do that its next gen otherwise its 7th gen. 



Zod95 said:
dark_gh0st_b0y said:
Zod95 said:
dark_gh0st_b0y said:
this is indeed going to happen, launch demand won't continue for long, Ps4 and XboxONE are also very expensive

hard-core gamers buy the consoles at launch, like they buy hard-core games, I predict Ps3/Xbox360 style of sales trend for Ps4 and XboxONE over the coming years

If that's so, why has the PS3 sold so little in 2006 and presented an ever growing yearly sales during 4 consecutive years? And something similar happened with X360, which had its sales peak in the 5th year. I think it's the opposite: hardcore consoles sell well during the entire generation while casual / alternative consoles like Wii may have a boost in the first 2 or 3 years but then begin to decay.

Growing yearly sales were because of the decreasing price along with more games

I agree that hardcore consoles sell well during the entire generation, that's why, even with a successful launch, there will be a steep decrease after the holidays (like core games sales have a steep decrease after launch), and a slow increase in the coming years, that's why i said Ps3/Xbox360 trend over the coming years

people declare Ps4/XboxONE god consoles and doom the WiiU, but is not the case

Ps4/XboxONE probably won't sell well after holidays and 2014 (very high price, only a few games)

WiiU is pretty hard to predict, could even take off once the price gets lower and more Nintendo games come out, largely depends on families really, they may miss the Wii fun they had and want to buy the new stuff when it gets cheaper?

a reason Wii had huge sales the first 2 years is the low price, so it is important, similar case for 3DS

so, doom and praise threads are pretty much pointless at this time

More games I think every console has along the time As for the price cuts, I don't believe so. The Wii had great sales without any price cut (2006-2008) and decreasing sales when it became cheaper and heavily bundled with games and accessories (2009-2013).

I doubt there will be a steep decrease (greater than the usual) after the holidays. In what basis do you claim that? Very high price can't be a factor simply because neither XOne nor PS4 have such prices. Remember X360 came at 400 euros (by now that would be around 500 euros) and PS3 came at 600 euros (by now that would be more than 700 euros). Now you have XOne for the same 500 euros (but Kinect is included) and PS4 for almost a half of PS3's launch price. Those are very high prices?! The "few games" thing will hardly be a factor too. It's true that PS4 and XOne came earlier than expected but the devs have rapidly shifted their resources to both consoles and none of them will be hard to work with (like the PS3 was) so I don't expect big delays in the games to come.

As for the god consoles vs the doomed Wii U, I understand who has that view. Wii U is likely to be like Wii in terms of life-cycle weekly market share: greater at the beginning, smaller at the middle of the generation and eventually an early death. So if the console is already low at the beginning, what can we expect about it's future? Miserable sales in the next 2 years? Residual sales after 3 or 4 years?

the Wii was already cheap enough from the start, so price was not a limiting factor for the sales, so as long as people saw it was fun, they just got one

hm, Ps4 costs a bit more than 400, and XboxONE a bit more than 500, the prices are ok only compared to Ps3 and XboxONE launch prices, which consoles sold poorly after the launch, and without many games

WiiU is at 300 euro right now, which is much much cheaper than the other 2, cheap for a core gamer but still not cheap enough for most families! and you are right about the ''what to expect'' sales, however, WiiU is not as revolutionary as the Wii, so as with the 3DS, sales mostly depend on games and it will take longer for the sales to come, but they will come eventually



don't mind my username, that was more than 10 years ago, I'm a different person now, amazing how people change ^_^

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dark_gh0st_b0y said:
Zod95 said:
dark_gh0st_b0y said:
Zod95 said:
dark_gh0st_b0y said:
this is indeed going to happen, launch demand won't continue for long, Ps4 and XboxONE are also very expensive

hard-core gamers buy the consoles at launch, like they buy hard-core games, I predict Ps3/Xbox360 style of sales trend for Ps4 and XboxONE over the coming years

If that's so, why has the PS3 sold so little in 2006 and presented an ever growing yearly sales during 4 consecutive years? And something similar happened with X360, which had its sales peak in the 5th year. I think it's the opposite: hardcore consoles sell well during the entire generation while casual / alternative consoles like Wii may have a boost in the first 2 or 3 years but then begin to decay.

Growing yearly sales were because of the decreasing price along with more games

I agree that hardcore consoles sell well during the entire generation, that's why, even with a successful launch, there will be a steep decrease after the holidays (like core games sales have a steep decrease after launch), and a slow increase in the coming years, that's why i said Ps3/Xbox360 trend over the coming years

people declare Ps4/XboxONE god consoles and doom the WiiU, but is not the case

Ps4/XboxONE probably won't sell well after holidays and 2014 (very high price, only a few games)

WiiU is pretty hard to predict, could even take off once the price gets lower and more Nintendo games come out, largely depends on families really, they may miss the Wii fun they had and want to buy the new stuff when it gets cheaper?

a reason Wii had huge sales the first 2 years is the low price, so it is important, similar case for 3DS

so, doom and praise threads are pretty much pointless at this time

More games I think every console has along the time As for the price cuts, I don't believe so. The Wii had great sales without any price cut (2006-2008) and decreasing sales when it became cheaper and heavily bundled with games and accessories (2009-2013).

I doubt there will be a steep decrease (greater than the usual) after the holidays. In what basis do you claim that? Very high price can't be a factor simply because neither XOne nor PS4 have such prices. Remember X360 came at 400 euros (by now that would be around 500 euros) and PS3 came at 600 euros (by now that would be more than 700 euros). Now you have XOne for the same 500 euros (but Kinect is included) and PS4 for almost a half of PS3's launch price. Those are very high prices?! The "few games" thing will hardly be a factor too. It's true that PS4 and XOne came earlier than expected but the devs have rapidly shifted their resources to both consoles and none of them will be hard to work with (like the PS3 was) so I don't expect big delays in the games to come.

As for the god consoles vs the doomed Wii U, I understand who has that view. Wii U is likely to be like Wii in terms of life-cycle weekly market share: greater at the beginning, smaller at the middle of the generation and eventually an early death. So if the console is already low at the beginning, what can we expect about it's future? Miserable sales in the next 2 years? Residual sales after 3 or 4 years?

the Wii was already cheap enough from the start, so price was not a limiting factor for the sales, so as long as people saw it was fun, they just got one

hm, Ps4 costs a bit more than 400, and XboxONE a bit more than 500, the prices are ok only compared to Ps3 and XboxONE launch prices, which consoles sold poorly after the launch, and without many games

WiiU is at 300 euro right now, which is much much cheaper than the other 2, cheap for a core gamer but still not cheap enough for most families! and you are right about the ''what to expect'' sales, however, WiiU is not as revolutionary as the Wii, so as with the 3DS, sales mostly depend on games and it will take longer for the sales to come, but they will come eventually

Look at what you said at the beginning: "hard-core gamers buy the consoles at launch".

Look at what you said now: "the prices are ok only compared to Ps3 and XboxONE launch prices, which consoles sold poorly after the launch".

What do you understand by "after the launch"? Either you're considering day one as "after the launch" and in that case your sentences are contradicting each other or you're considering a launch period of weeks or months and in that case both of your sentences are wrong (the 1st because PS3 and X360 presented ever growing yearly sales during the fist 4 or 5 years and the 2nd because PS3's first week of sales was one of the worst of it's entire life-cycle).



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

the title of the thread is ''PS4 and XBONE are in for the same drought as WiiU''

all I'm is that I agree with this, most gamers got Ps4 and XboxONE the first 2 weeks or so, because they were waiting for the launch all along, launch numbers are high but they won't last

by launch, I mean mostly week 1, maybe week 2 as well, of course we have the holidays as well, so after the launch I mean after the holidays, which is were i believe Ps4 and XboxONE sales will be low, for many months or so

overall, I believe Ps4 and XboxONE will follow Ps3 and Xbox360 trends, and WiiU to follow 3DS trend

don't really remember Ps3 launch week sales, but I remember they were big in Europe, if I'm not mistaken



don't mind my username, that was more than 10 years ago, I'm a different person now, amazing how people change ^_^

Why is it that when I read the title, I expected this many responses and sony fanboys falling for the troll attempt? Ah well.

OT: We won't know this until a year or two, so sit back and enjoy the ride. 8th gen is in full swing now that the other two consoles are out. :)



Estelle and Adol... best characters ever! XD

So far it looks like this - a next gen engine is one that supports real-time global illumination, significantly increased particle count and features of the dx11 api at a min of 30fps @1080p, allowing for upscaling. If a console can do that its next gen otherwise its 7th gen. 

At this point all you're doing is arbitrarily defining terms to fit which consoles you want to include and not those you don't.

In any case, this isn't a definition of the term "next gen." This is a definition of the term "eighth gen," and a shaky one at that. The debate here is whether or not you can provide a solid definition for what clasisfies any given console as a certain generation of console outside of it simply being the next one.

If you can, then present it. If not, then this debate is pretty much over (as it has been for the last page or so).



ps4tw said:
Pemalite said:


Get my facts straight?
Seriously? Hows about you stop trying to "change the argument" to suit yourself.
You said those effects didn't exist back then with those games I listed, I provided *solid* technical proof in the form of imagry and an informative wikipedia link that says otherwise and yet you still think you're right.
At this point, if that's not going to admit you're wrong, then nothing will.

Also. It's not "Card Specific" it is brand specific and the game engine needs to support it (Well, Support N-Patches anyway) on top of it. - It also didn't have a single variation, ATI (Now AMD) did create Truform 2.0 and a variation of that ended up in the Xbox 360 console. (Used for Halo 3's water effects and also used in Viva Pinata.)
It was also available on the Radeon 8000 series, 9000 series, x700/x800 series, x19xx series etc'.

As for Volumetric Lighting, I'll prove you wrong tomorrow, when I can be bothered, I shall let My PC download the games from Steam overnight.


Tesselation werent part of the engine so my point stays. Have fun with that, because im going to say right now that all you are going to do is show pre-caluclated lighting and burnt textures. 

 

Man next time just be humble. I'm even embarrassed for you. You got owned big time.