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novasonic on 15 November 2013

Sony and Microsoft need to send spies over to Nintendo. They seem to have mastered the art of quick load times.




8th gen predictions. (made early 2014)
PS4: 60-65m
WiiU: 30-35m
X1: 30-35m
3DS: 80-85m
PSV: 15-20m

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Sharu on 15 November 2013
novasonic said:
Sony and Microsoft need to send spies over to Nintendo. They seem to have mastered the art of quick load times.

without installs... itsamagic!



Mummelmann on 15 November 2013

I think it's because the PS and xbox still secretly want to be bad PC's.



Mr Puggsly on 15 November 2013
KylieDog said:
Mr Puggsly said:


Wrong. PS3 used a 1x drive to play games. A more modern drive would be fine and Sony claimed the new drive is 3 times faster.

Apparently ALL games require an install. I didn't hear an exception for less demanding games.

Here's my guess, Sony did this so there is less ware on the disc drive. According to Square Trade, one of the most common issues of PS3 were disc read errors.


Three times faster isn't good enough for what is needed now. 

No, a drive three times faster would be sufficient for many games. Requiring all games to be installed was a choice made by Sony.



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bubblegamer on 15 November 2013
Mr Puggsly said:
KylieDog said:
Mr Puggsly said:


Wrong. PS3 used a 1x drive to play games. A more modern drive would be fine and Sony claimed the new drive is 3 times faster.

Apparently ALL games require an install. I didn't hear an exception for less demanding games.

Here's my guess, Sony did this so there is less ware on the disc drive. According to Square Trade, one of the most common issues of PS3 were disc read errors.


Three times faster isn't good enough for what is needed now. 

No, a drive three times faster would be sufficient for many games. Requiring all games to be installed was a choice made by Sony.

Wrong. If it was Sony's decision, the Xbone wouldn't have the same feature. It's obviously a workaround like Joethebro explained.



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darkknightkryta on 15 November 2013

I was actually going to make a related thread on this. Disc drives are starting to bottle neck the GPUs (Let's be realistic, we'd need atleast 16+ gigs of ram dedicated to games at this point.), I was wondering if flash media has gotten cheap enough for games again. Think we'd see a return of "cartridge" based gaming?



ViktorBKK on 15 November 2013

Running games off the disc is pathetic. Optical disc drive should be inactive during game play for an optimal experience.



Mr Puggsly on 15 November 2013
KylieDog said:
Mr Puggsly said:

No, a drive three times faster would be sufficient for many games. Requiring all games to be installed was a choice made by Sony.


You don't know what would be sufficient.  With a lot more loaded into RAM on new consoles and the increased demands from what new consoles offer, even non taxing games will need faster read speeds.

Even non taxing games need faster read speeds? You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Look, all games require an install because that's how Sony wants it. Not because developers can't figure it out.

Its amazing, fans defend the dumbest shit sometimes.



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GamechaserBE on 15 November 2013

It will improve no worries :).



drkohler on 15 November 2013
Mr Puggsly said:

Even non taxing games need faster read speeds? You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Look, all games require an install because that's how Sony wants it. Not because developers can't figure it out.

Its amazing, fans defend the dumbest shit sometimes.

It's amazing, people without the slightest knowledge (you)  seem to know better than the people who actually have to design the whole stuff...

Ever heard of the term "seek time"?

Let's not even talk about noise, heat, power draw, spin-up/down time, ..... - you know, all those unimportant details that make people use hds and ssds instea of blu-ray drives...