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Forums - Sony Discussion - so 8GB of ram..... and a faster Disc drive.... so why a 50GB install per game?

Pemalite on 15 November 2013
Xenostar said:


Why are you so bothered it installs as you play, so even with larger installs youll be in and playing in under a minute in most cases, rather than the 20+ minutes of the smaller installs of last gen. 

The size increase is mostly due to more detailed textures, to fill up that that ram and 1080p framebuffer, it really is a none issue, if youve got crap internet buy box product. 


Wut.

The consoles framebuffer is in the Ram, it also doesn't have a set resolution.
Thus, one in the same.

Lafiel said:

Look, Ram got 16 times bigger ( 10-14 times for the crucial vram), while the BR drive is only 3x faster than the one in the PS3 and even back then not everything could be streamed from the disc into ram.


If the Playstation would use all it's Ram for games, that would be true. You're probably looking at only a 10x increase in total, give or take.



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walsufnir on 15 November 2013
binary solo said:
leo-j said:
walsufnir said:
leo-j said:

Why? A 50gb install per game? In fact I recall sony saying 0 loading times ever for games... yet not only did nba 2k13 install itself onto the HDD..... but it has almost the same lengthy loading times that 2k13 did on the ps3..... and the game although looks much better... doesn't look so good that it has to run on both the disc and the HDD for it to sustain 60fps at 1080p on a console 10 times more powerful than ps3 with 8gb of ram....

 

why is sony forcing 25GB + installs for games???? When games like KZ2, which looks arguebly as good as nba 2k13... with way more going on, runs with mb on the HDD... on the ps3, and even less loading?


Noise, ODDs are set to break over time, loading times... Also keep in mind games don't use all 8 GB.

ODD what?

Optical disc drives.

But counter to that is ODDs seem to last quite a long time, and HDDs also break.

PC's pretty much always install games more or less completely, so PS4, and I assume Xb one, are just following in PC footsteps.


IIRC PS3 had a lot of odd-breaks... There are a lot of them to buy on ebay with a broken odd.



Xenostar on 15 November 2013
Pemalite said:
Xenostar said:


Why are you so bothered it installs as you play, so even with larger installs youll be in and playing in under a minute in most cases, rather than the 20+ minutes of the smaller installs of last gen. 

The size increase is mostly due to more detailed textures, to fill up that that ram and 1080p framebuffer, it really is a none issue, if youve got crap internet buy box product. 


Wut.

The consoles framebuffer is in the Ram, it also doesn't have a set resolution.
Thus, one in the same.


Yes i know how it works. I was suggesting with a 1080p image you will want higher detailed textures, thus bigger textures.



Lafiel on 15 November 2013
Pemalite said:
Lafiel said:

Look, Ram got 16 times bigger ( 10-14 times for the crucial vram), while the BR drive is only 3x faster than the one in the PS3 and even back then not everything could be streamed from the disc into ram.


If the Playstation would use all it's Ram for games, that would be true. You're probably looking at only a 10x increase in total, give or take.

I was taking that into account and even if it is some bits less than the 10x I said myself, my point still stands, so I see no reason for your comment o.O .



Mr Puggsly on 15 November 2013
KylieDog said:
Disc read speed still not fast enough, probably never will be for the increase in data needs to read.


Wrong. PS3 used a 1x drive to play games. A more modern drive would be fine and Sony claimed the new drive is 3 times faster.

Apparently ALL games require an install. I didn't hear an exception for less demanding games.

Here's my guess, Sony did this so there is less ware on the disc drive. According to Square Trade, one of the most common issues of PS3 were disc read errors.



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attaboy on 15 November 2013

Somebody should have invested in holographic memory. Yeah, that's a thing.



.....oh wait. Someone did. They just didn't utilize it.



Lafiel on 15 November 2013
attaboy said:
Somebody should have invested in holographic memory. Yeah, that's a thing.



.....oh wait. Someone did. They just didn't utilize it.

Ah, you wanted a $1000 console.



attaboy on 15 November 2013
Lafiel said:
attaboy said:
Somebody should have invested in holographic memory. Yeah, that's a thing.



.....oh wait. Someone did. They just didn't utilize it.

Ah, you wanted a $1000 console.

I actually wanted two $1000 consoles.....that way Nintendo would win again!  Unfortunately, THEY'RE the ones looking into holographic memory.  :(



A203D on 15 November 2013

The systems might have 8GB of RAM, but we don't know how much RAM is used for the game.

I think there will eventually come a time when developers are able to reduce the size of the install yet maintain a fast load time.

The 500 GB HDDs are no where near enough, I imagine a lot of users will have to upgrade to at least 4 TBs. As long as they give you the option of upgrading the HDD to something like 20 TB within the next few years thats fine. Some of the PS3 load times were disgusting to be fair.



Pemalite on 15 November 2013
A203D said:
The systems might have 8GB of RAM, but we don't know how much RAM is used for the game.

I think there will eventually come a time when developers are able to reduce the size of the install yet maintain a fast load time.

The 500 GB HDDs are no where near enough, I imagine a lot of users will have to upgrade to at least 4 TBs. As long as they give you the option of upgrading the HDD to something like 20 TB within the next few years thats fine. Some of the PS3 load times were disgusting to be fair.


Does the Playstation 4 use 3.5" drives or 2.5" drives? It would suck if it's only 2.5" drives that were only supported... Generally they are slower, more expensive and smaller than their larger 3.5" bretheren.



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