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If the Medicale care is private, it mean you need to make profit, if you need to make profit you want people to get sick or hurt to survive.

A medical system, trying and hoping Bad thing to people, to even work ... Ironic

The world is laughing at us, And our head is so far in our butt we cant even see that.


In the other hand we would never had breaking bad so its 50|50





ninetailschris said:
Mr Khan said:
thranx said:
Vikki said:
Dark_Lord_2008 said:
Obamacare will fail because rednecks/low to middle income people in America commonly vote against popular measures that benefit them because they usually fall for the conservative media fear campaign. Some information and a conducting research into public health care in Europe and Canada will actually reveal that Universal Medicare is a good thing and its benefits far outweigh its costs.


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Coming from a Brit, Americans confuse me. Like, I'll never understand how low income householes ever vote republican, the party that will make them even poorer.

people vote conservative cause they dont want hand outs they want to earn for themselves and be their own people, and realize that just cause a promise is made doesn't mean it will happen. OIbamacare is the best example of this. democrats practice to much bait and switch, and can't keep the promises they make as they are unrealstic. Also money isnt everything, some people are happy with what they have and dont crave more. and on top of it all we are a massive country with 300+million people, from many backgrounds and ethnicities, we cant use a one size fits all solution for things. But if you really look closely at it, what you'll see is that republicans and democrats aren't much different from each other. they both want more tax and regulation, the party of the future is the tea party.

Demography suggests that the tea party is the party of the past almost by definition.


One of the things I like to research is politics and I can firmly say your bsing. You most likely doing a generalization based on some news show who told this but never looked it up. I'm not even a tea party member and I know generalizing people like that is flatout dishonest without facts.

I don't think he was trying to bash the "Tea Party" he was just saying they are the party of the past by definition because they hold such extremely conservative beliefs.

 

Some Tea Party politicians believe that a woman becoming pregnant from rape is a blessing from god (Richard Mourdock) and global warming is a scam and the world gets warm because that's what god intended to happen(Sarah Palin). Another Tea Party politician (Jesse Peterson) believes america took a turn for the worst when women were allowed to vote and thinks we should regulate the female vote. 

 

The Tea Party is extremely out of touch on what the current generation believes and that is why the republican party basically has two parties fighting amoungst itself, conservatives and extremely conservative. 

 

Not saying anything is wrong with having those extremely conservative beliefs, it's just that's not the norm in 2013, just like having extremely liberal views isn't the norm. 



RG3Hunna said:
ninetailschris said:
Mr Khan said:
thranx said:
Vikki said:
Dark_Lord_2008 said:

 

Demography suggests that the tea party is the party of the past almost by definition.


One of the things I like to research is politics and I can firmly say your bsing. You most likely doing a generalization based on some news show who told this but never looked it up. I'm not even a tea party member and I know generalizing people like that is flatout dishonest without facts.

I don't think he was trying to bash the "Tea Party" he was just saying they are the party of the past by definition because they hold such extremely conservative beliefs.

 

Some Tea Party politicians believe that a woman becoming pregnant from rape is a blessing from god (Richard Mourdock) and global warming is a scam and the world gets warm because that's what god intended to happen(Sarah Palin). Another Tea Party politician (Jesse Peterson) believes america took a turn for the worst when women were allowed to vote and thinks we should regulate the female vote. 

 

The Tea Party is extremely out of touch on what the current generation believes and that is why the republican party basically has two parties fighting amoungst itself, conservatives and extremely conservative. 

 

Not saying anything is wrong with having those extremely conservative beliefs, it's just that's not the norm in 2013, just like having extremely liberal views isn't the norm. 

thats not at all, what he said. you are delibertly misrepresenting what he said. 

He clearly said life is a gift from God. he also said rape is horrible. the exact opposite of what you just claimed he said.

so stop lying.



 

SocialistSlayer said:
RG3Hunna said:
ninetailschris said:
Mr Khan said:
thranx said:
Vikki said:
Dark_Lord_2008 said:

 

Demography suggests that the tea party is the party of the past almost by definition.


One of the things I like to research is politics and I can firmly say your bsing. You most likely doing a generalization based on some news show who told this but never looked it up. I'm not even a tea party member and I know generalizing people like that is flatout dishonest without facts.

I don't think he was trying to bash the "Tea Party" he was just saying they are the party of the past by definition because they hold such extremely conservative beliefs.

 

Some Tea Party politicians believe that a woman becoming pregnant from rape is a blessing from god (Richard Mourdock) and global warming is a scam and the world gets warm because that's what god intended to happen(Sarah Palin). Another Tea Party politician (Jesse Peterson) believes america took a turn for the worst when women were allowed to vote and thinks we should regulate the female vote. 

 

The Tea Party is extremely out of touch on what the current generation believes and that is why the republican party basically has two parties fighting amoungst itself, conservatives and extremely conservative. 

 

Not saying anything is wrong with having those extremely conservative beliefs, it's just that's not the norm in 2013, just like having extremely liberal views isn't the norm. 

thats not at all, what he said. you are delibertly misrepresenting what he said. 

He clearly said life is a gift from God. he also said rape is horrible. the exact opposite of what you just claimed he said.

so stop lying.


You must be a Tea Party supporter because i'm sensing some aggression in your response. Did I say he said rape is a blessing from god? NO! I said they believe women who get pregnant from rape is a blessing from god. You just said he said "life is a gift from god even in an unfortunate situation as rape" so how in the world am I lying on Mr. Murdock? 

 

While we're at it lets talk about another Tea Party politician aka Todd Aiken who believes the female body is an amazing organism who if it's a "Legitimate rape" the female body has a way of shutting the female reproductive system down so she doesn't get pregnant.

My whole point is the majority of the country doesn't share the same extremely conservative view points so that means the extremely conservative view point is in the minority. 

Like I said the extremely conservative view point is a minority in this country and that's a fact, I mean just look at the 2012 election, the conservative party lost to a guy who has one of the worst economic records in presidential history, yet he destroyed the republican candidate in the electoral college. 



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RG3Hunna said:
SocialistSlayer said:
RG3Hunna said:
ninetailschris said:
Mr Khan said:
thranx said:
Vikki said:
Dark_Lord_2008 said:

 

Demography suggests that the tea party is the party of the past almost by definition.


One of the things I like to research is politics and I can firmly say your bsing. You most likely doing a generalization based on some news show who told this but never looked it up. I'm not even a tea party member and I know generalizing people like that is flatout dishonest without facts.

I don't think he was trying to bash the "Tea Party" he was just saying they are the party of the past by definition because they hold such extremely conservative beliefs.

 

Some Tea Party politicians believe that a woman becoming pregnant from rape is a blessing from god (Richard Mourdock) and global warming is a scam and the world gets warm because that's what god intended to happen(Sarah Palin). Another Tea Party politician (Jesse Peterson) believes america took a turn for the worst when women were allowed to vote and thinks we should regulate the female vote. 

 

The Tea Party is extremely out of touch on what the current generation believes and that is why the republican party basically has two parties fighting amoungst itself, conservatives and extremely conservative. 

 

Not saying anything is wrong with having those extremely conservative beliefs, it's just that's not the norm in 2013, just like having extremely liberal views isn't the norm. 

thats not at all, what he said. you are delibertly misrepresenting what he said. 

He clearly said life is a gift from God. he also said rape is horrible. the exact opposite of what you just claimed he said.

so stop lying.


You must be a Tea Party supporter because i'm sensing some aggression in your response. Did I say he said rape is a blessing from god? NO! I said they believe women who get pregnant from rape is a blessing from god. You just said he said "life is a gift from god even in an unfortunate situation as rape" so how in the world am I lying on Mr. Murdock? 

and im sensing, deliberate misrepresentation of what someone said due to an agenda. he didnt say getting pregnant from rape is a bleasing. he said life is. He said rape is awful. your lying because he didnt say getting pregnant from rape is a blessing.

While we're at it lets talk about another Tea Party politician aka Todd Aiken who believes the female body is an amazing organism who if it's a "Legitimate rape" the female body has a way of shutting the female reproductive system down so she doesn't get pregnant.

first off todd akin is most certainly not a tea party politician. 2nd what does him being ignorant of biology have to do with him being pro-life, or anything else really? So it turns out the is no hard scientific data suggesting women can shut down their reproductive system in time of stress (rape). that doesnt detract from the fact, he values life, even in the case of rape, and being a baby concieved of rape doesnt make you any less human than consensual sex.

My whole point is the majority of the country doesn't share the same extremely conservative view points so that means the extremely conservative view point is in the minority. 

Like I said the extremely conservative view point is a minority in this country and that's a fact, I mean just look at the 2012 election, the conservative party lost to a guy who has one of the worst economic records in presidential history, yet he destroyed the republican candidate in the electoral college. 

ha... romney conservative. good joke dude. i knew i couldnt take your posts seriously. thanks for confirming it.





 

Universal health care is a reform that should have been implemented in the US either during WW2 or after the WW2 at the same time as Europe and UK implemented Universal health care. Now with 300+ million people it is a near impossible and too expensive to try and implement healthcare for all citizens.

In Europe, Canada, New Zealand and Australia public health and private health systems have successfully co-existed. Europeans, New Zealanders and Australians have enjoyed the benefits of Universal health care that helps keep health care costs down. US health care market is unregulated and medical costs are way too expensive as a direct consequence of not having universal health care to keep prices in check.



SocialistSlayer said:
RG3Hunna said:
SocialistSlayer said:
RG3Hunna said:
ninetailschris said:
Mr Khan said:
thranx said:
Vikki said:
Dark_Lord_2008 said:

 

Demography suggests that the tea party is the party of the past almost by definition.


One of the things I like to research is politics and I can firmly say your bsing. You most likely doing a generalization based on some news show who told this but never looked it up. I'm not even a tea party member and I know generalizing people like that is flatout dishonest without facts.

I don't think he was trying to bash the "Tea Party" he was just saying they are the party of the past by definition because they hold such extremely conservative beliefs.

 

Some Tea Party politicians believe that a woman becoming pregnant from rape is a blessing from god (Richard Mourdock) and global warming is a scam and the world gets warm because that's what god intended to happen(Sarah Palin). Another Tea Party politician (Jesse Peterson) believes america took a turn for the worst when women were allowed to vote and thinks we should regulate the female vote. 

 

The Tea Party is extremely out of touch on what the current generation believes and that is why the republican party basically has two parties fighting amoungst itself, conservatives and extremely conservative. 

 

Not saying anything is wrong with having those extremely conservative beliefs, it's just that's not the norm in 2013, just like having extremely liberal views isn't the norm. 

thats not at all, what he said. you are delibertly misrepresenting what he said. 

He clearly said life is a gift from God. he also said rape is horrible. the exact opposite of what you just claimed he said.

so stop lying.


You must be a Tea Party supporter because i'm sensing some aggression in your response. Did I say he said rape is a blessing from god? NO! I said they believe women who get pregnant from rape is a blessing from god. You just said he said "life is a gift from god even in an unfortunate situation as rape" so how in the world am I lying on Mr. Murdock? 

and im sensing, deliberate misrepresentation of what someone said due to an agenda. he didnt say getting pregnant from rape is a bleasing. he said life is. He said rape is awful. your lying because he didnt say getting pregnant from rape is a blessing.

While we're at it lets talk about another Tea Party politician aka Todd Aiken who believes the female body is an amazing organism who if it's a "Legitimate rape" the female body has a way of shutting the female reproductive system down so she doesn't get pregnant.

first off todd akin is most certainly not a tea party politician. 2nd what does him being ignorant of biology have to do with him being pro-life, or anything else really? So it turns out the is no hard scientific data suggesting women can shut down their reproductive system in time of stress (rape). that doesnt detract from the fact, he values life, even in the case of rape, and being a baby concieved of rape doesnt make you any less human than consensual sex.

My whole point is the majority of the country doesn't share the same extremely conservative view points so that means the extremely conservative view point is in the minority. 

Like I said the extremely conservative view point is a minority in this country and that's a fact, I mean just look at the 2012 election, the conservative party lost to a guy who has one of the worst economic records in presidential history, yet he destroyed the republican candidate in the electoral college. 

ha... romney conservative. good joke dude. i knew i couldnt take your posts seriously. thanks for confirming it.



What agenda do I have? read my first post the only thing I said was the view of the Tea Party is a minority in this country and it is true, you're getting your panties in a bunch because you obvisouly must believe  the nonsense the Tea Party spews. I also said nothing is wrong with supporting the views of the tea party because everyone has a right to their opinion just like there is nothing wrong with thinking the Tea Party are full of morons and radicals.

Todd Aiken isn't a tea party politician? He came out of his own mouth saying he was an early member of the tea party caucus. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. here is an article where the Tea Party express urges Todd Akin to step down because he was ruining their brand. A lot of Tea Party members are ignorant on biology, they put science on the back burner for their biblical book. It has been scientifically proven global warming is true and a fetus isn't human until 12 weeks but they throw science out the door for the bible which has been edited over millions of times. lol

http://www.teapartyexpress.org/5205/tea-party-express-urges-rep-akin-to-step-down

Here is also the full list of the Tea Party caucus in the house as far back as 2011, the freshman members are bolded. Like I said you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. 

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/29/who-is-the-tea-party-caucus-in-the-house/

Romney is a conservative, he's a moderate fiscal conservative, he sure isn't a liberal. Dude you have brought nothing to my post but nonsense. I proved my point, the extremely conservative view point is a minority in this country currently and unless you have facts to show that i'm wrong your posts are pointless and you're just wasting your time. You have yet to show any factual post that my initial post was wrong so you're typing just to see yourself type at this point. lol



Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:

Demography suggests that the tea party is the party of the past almost by definition.


Are you sure?  All the demography studies i've seen on the tea party have shown that they're basically very evenly represntative of the population demographics as a whole.

Sure they aren't portayed that way... but actual demographics...

http://www.gallup.com/poll/127181/tea-partiers-fairly-mainstream-demographics.aspx

pretty much dead on mainstream.

 

Actually far more representative proportionally then either Republicans or Democrats.

 

That poll was from 2010 (and early 2010 at that) when the Tea Party was something resembling general-purpose populist movement, angry about government spending. As soon as the election approached, it was rapidly wedded to the ideals of the fringe Right, of Birchers and the people who waste their breath talking about Agenda 21. I would imagine a current poll would reflect very white, almost exclusively rural or suburban, and further up the age range.



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Mr Khan said:
Kasz216 said:
Mr Khan said:
 

Demography suggests that the tea party is the party of the past almost by definition.


Are you sure?  All the demography studies i've seen on the tea party have shown that they're basically very evenly represntative of the population demographics as a whole.

Sure they aren't portayed that way... but actual demographics...

http://www.gallup.com/poll/127181/tea-partiers-fairly-mainstream-demographics.aspx

pretty much dead on mainstream.

 

Actually far more representative proportionally then either Republicans or Democrats.

 

That poll was from 2010 (and early 2010 at that) when the Tea Party was something resembling general-purpose populist movement, angry about government spending. As soon as the election approached, it was rapidly wedded to the ideals of the fringe Right, of Birchers and the people who waste their breath talking about Agenda 21. I would imagine a current poll would reflect very white, almost exclusively rural or suburban, and further up the age range.

Never heard f Agenda 21.  Going to have to look that one up.

Either way... you'd be surprised.

While Teaparty support has declined, it's declined pretty evenly.  I quoted that one just because it was the first source that popped up in google.  Can't find the most recent one.

but I remeber October favorability ratings being ~30% for Whites,  ~30% for hispanics, and 25% for Blacks.   Which is pretty in keeping with the above.

With unfavorably ratings being ~50%.   Except oddly enough hispanics, which was closer to 40%.

 

Funny thing is the GOP unfavorability rating is higher then the Tea Party. 

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/10/22/cnn-poll-gop-tea-party-unfavorables-at-all-time-highs/