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Should Miyamoto Retire and let someone else lead?

NO! Are you Crazy? 62 38.51%
 
Maybe he could co-develop more projects 22 13.66%
 
Maybe he could lead less projects 9 5.59%
 
Yes, but he should still do Mario & Zelda 7 4.35%
 
Yes, but he should still have some input 20 12.42%
 
Yes, but he should still ... 15 9.32%
 
Yes, he should retire, or... 11 6.83%
 
See the Pik Vote 15 9.32%
 
Total:161
SlyFoxDeveraux on 11 November 2013

I really think Miyamoto's a figurehead at this point, and has been for some time. He hasn't directed a game in years, I think he just generally oversees everything. He's still got his pet projects like Pikmin or Dark Moon, but I think his involvement in Mario and Zelda is pretty minimal at this point, and he's never really been involved in, like, Metroid or Smash or Pokemon.



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thewayofthepath on 11 November 2013
Michael-5 said:

So basically in Japan, seniority is a big thing. I.E. being older, and having more experience developing games almost always gives you final say in how a game is developed. This is why Miyamoto always directs Mario & Zelda games, and the same goes with Final Fantasy and Hironobu Sakaguchi (now Mistwalker), Yoshinori Kitase, and others.


I'm not sure where you're getting this information from, but according to Wikipedia, the last game Miyamoto directed was Mario Artist: Paint Studio for the Nintendo 64DD, released way back in 1999.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nintendo_games_created_by_Shigeru_Miyamoto



Wyrdness on 11 November 2013
Suke said:

Well, yeah. I didn't count those because those were Intellegent Systems IP, Nintendo just publish. Dillon's Rolling Western was develop by Vanpool .....well, I guess Dillon the same way. 


Intelligent Systems are a first party studio, they used to be know as Nintendo R&D before being renamed.



Mnementh on 11 November 2013
Dr.EisDrachenJaeger said:

 But they 're always making games. Anything Monolith Soft makes is as Nintendo as any thing Intelligent Systems, Genius Sonority makes. As are any of their collaborations.

Genius Sonority is first party? I didn't knew. So Denpa Men is a new Nintendo-IP.



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Mnementh on 11 November 2013
Suke said:
leedlelee said:
Suke said:

New IP is one of the major reason why I adore Dillon's Rolling Western because it's one of Nintendo latest IPs that show a lot of promise and hope to see more of in the futures.

Let's not forget Pushmo/Pullblox...

There was a good amount of time where Pushmo was the highest reviewed game on the 3DS...

My gripe with Nintendo right now isn't that they rely on the same IP's; it's that they don't give due credit to their smaller and more niche ones...

Well, yeah. I didn't count those because those were Intellegent Systems IP, Nintendo just publish. Dillon's Rolling Western was develop by Vanpool .....well, I guess Dillon the same way. 

Intelligent Systems is owned by nintendo, including the classic IP developed over all the years by Intelligent Systems: Fire Emblem. Same with HAL. I'm not sure about Vanpool, that could be independent but developing for Nintendo platforms (sometimes called 2nd-party).



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Mnementh on 11 November 2013
Wyrdness said:
Suke said:

Well, yeah. I didn't count those because those were Intellegent Systems IP, Nintendo just publish. Dillon's Rolling Western was develop by Vanpool .....well, I guess Dillon the same way. 


Intelligent Systems are a first party studio, they used to be know as Nintendo R&D before being renamed.

No, but they first ported games from R&D:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_Systems



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Wyrdness on 11 November 2013
Mnementh said:

No, but they first ported games from R&D:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_Systems


Your link proves my point, they started out as a separate team then became part of Nintendo's R&D department in a restructuring hence why a lot of their early work is with R&D1, later on they became Intelligent Systems.



Dr.EisDrachenJaeger on 11 November 2013
Suke said:
sethnintendo said:
Suke said:
leedlelee said:
Suke said:

New IP is one of the major reason why I adore Dillon's Rolling Western because it's one of Nintendo latest IPs that show a lot of promise and hope to see more of in the futures. 

Let's not forget Pushmo/Pullblox...

There was a good amount of time where Pushmo was the highest reviewed game on the 3DS...

My gripe with Nintendo right now isn't that they rely on the same IP's; it's that they don't give due credit to their smaller and more niche ones...

Well, yeah. I didn't count those because those were Intellegent Systems IP, Nintendo just publish. Dillon's Rolling Western was develop by Vanpool .....well, I guess Dillon the same way. 



A little offtopic but just wanted to say that they have Dillon's Rolling Western for 200 coins on NA Club Nintendo right now.


Really recommand it, it's quite fun with it's flaws.

Dude, Intellegent systems are a first party studio, like Monolith Soft, Like EAD tokyo, Like Retro Studios, Like 1 UP.  LIke S&D 1, Like EAD Team 2.

Come on.



Michael-5 on 11 November 2013
Dr.EisDrachenJaeger said:
Ha no. Sequels dont factor into their plans.These guys want to own the market. I dunno what Iwata did to them, but they're insane. They got something in their eyes, I dunno man.

People will get tired of the same games over an over, Nintendo can't rely on Mario forever, just like Bungie can't rely on Halo, Rockstar can't rely on GTA (but I see this sticking for a while), and Activision can't rely on COD forever.

Dr.EisDrachenJaeger said:
Madworld Sold better than Anarchy Reigns did XD

Mad World is a better game.

orniletter said:

So this is one of those threads ?

 

Yeah, the Wonderful 101 didn´t flop to apocalyptic proportions Kinda Did.

and the 3DS didn´t see Kid Icarus: Uprising. Not a new IP

I hate this type of thread because:

-the thread creator ignores the many new IPs Nintendo made (W101, Elite Beat Agents, Jam with the Band, the Wii stuff,Pandora´s Tower, The Last story, touch generation games  etc.) Will comment on this below

-ignores the sequels to series that didn´t have a new entry in close to a decade (Pikmin, Luigi´s Mansion, Kid Icarus) If you read my OP, I did give Nintendo credit for waiting a while on some IP's, but it's still the same games over and over

-acts like new IPs are  better on principle than games with known characters, even if the new IP´s gameplay is  standard fare for the genre

-put´s the blame on Miyamoto when Miyamote just won´t shut up about retiring and wanting to move to new/smaller games. Didn't know this, YAY

 

Look at the PS4/XBone´s launch line up. Ryse appears to be a shallow 0815 hack´n slash game. Knack looks like straight out of the PS2/GameCube generation (in a bad way, from the gameplay perspective). Not a comparision, don't care

And the SNES stuff will never happen again, games need 60+   staff members nowadys. You could make a SNES game with far less.


So you mentioned that Nintendo did make some new IP's, but you made a list of games published by Nintendo and developed by someone else the only Nintendo developed new IP you mentioned was Jam With the Band.

Now hear me out, I'm not ranting out just new IP's, but new Ideas in games. Donkey Kong Country was a Donkey Kong game, the mascot existed already. Yoshi's Island, well that's a spinoff from a newly introduced Nintendo character. Plus Mario Part, Kart, Paper, etc, are still Mario games, just a different genre.

Where is the imagination nowadays? Is the best Nintendo can come up with is a Cat Suit for 3D Worlds? or a Bee suit for Galaxy? They will probably be awesome games, but they just aren't as epic as "Metal Mario", Yoshi, Wario, etc....

That's my critisism. The only new Mario franchise of recent years is Soccer, and that's not enough.



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Soundwave on 11 November 2013

Miyamoto is still the head of EAD as a software division and I get the feeling he still has a very large say in the design of hardware and company philosophy.

If Miyamoto doesn't like something or there's an idea that doesn't mesh with Miyamoto's philosophy, I get the sense that it's pretty much shot down at Nintendo.