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What are your views on gun control?

Im a communist, so I like gun control 66 51.16%
 
Im a freedom loving, cons... 62 48.06%
 
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-CraZed- on 12 November 2013
Torillian said:
-CraZed- said:
Torillian said:
killerzX said:

if you have ever been to a military base, you'd realize just how little they are actually gaurded. there are sentrys at the gate. and thats about it. its basically the same as an other town or city with a police force.


I lived in military bases off and on throughout my entire childhood, and I think you really can't just ignore the sentries at the gate as well as the military police presence being equated to that of standard town with police.  We'll have to just disagree on this point, but I find it hard to think of a base where you have to show an armed guard ID just to get in as some hippy love-in where someone would expect to be able to attack without repurcussions.  

LOL how old are you, 15? When I entered the military most military bases were OPEN posts. Meaning there were NO guards or sentries or checkpoints to get into a base and even if there was a sentry they were glorified traffic cops as they basically looked to see you had a base sticker on your window and waved you through. Heck, Fort Bragg which is home to the 82nd, some Ranger and SF units and even Delta (though those guys had small gated compounds) had NO checkpoints to get around the base proper. The freeway terminated right in the middle of the base!

Not until 9/11 did military bases go to CLOSED. Even after 9/11 base security is really a joke. There are so many avenues of entry for someone with nefarious purpose to get onto base a wreak havoc. If not for the intermittent MP or SP patrol bases are just smaller versions of any cities 'security.'

And no you wouldn't be able to attack without repercussion but you could do a lot of damage before being stopped. There have been several of these types of incidents in the past. The naval yard and Fort Hood are only the most recent.

Fun fact, you can look up someone's age on here instead of just being a douche about it.  I'm 28, thanks for asking.  

The base I lived in in Germany always had checkpoints at the entrance that would not let you in unless you had a military ID.  I remember because we were warned not to go off of the base without one as it would be a chore to get back in.  That would be around 1995.

Honestly though dude, I'm leaving this conversation, and you can find someone else to talk down to.  

Sorry, didn't mean to come of as a "douche." That wasn't my intention one bit :)



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Cobretti2 on 12 November 2013
NobleTeam360 said:
MDMAlliance said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Sorry pretty common sense, at least the majority of law enforcement know that trying to ban guns in any form won't stop the criminals. Your delusional if you do.


I think you have a misunderstanding of the other side.  I doubt that the other side is thinking "if we ban guns, criminals will disappear!"  I think that the more restrictive gun laws are more for school shootings and the such.  I think the other side would say that more restrictive gun laws would help keep guns out of the hands of mentally unstable individuals.  It may sound like a stretch, but to say they are delusional for thinking that, you have to be pretty arrogant yourself.

No offense but even with more gun control someone that wants to go shoot up a school building can and will get there hands on a gun, no amount of gun laws will stop them from getting one to do something illegal. 

Australia says hi, no mass shootings since the ban of automatics and stricter gun laws.

Sure criminals still have guns however with limited rounds. Usually here they are gangs that shoot each other so in general the public are pretty safe.

 



 

 

MikeRox on 12 November 2013

So yeah, like the UK.

The evidence that gun control would help is pretty overwhelming really.



RIP Dad 25/11/51 - 13/12/13. You will be missed but never forgotten.

Goatseye on 12 November 2013
joora said:
Goatseye said:
13.9% believe pop culture and video games are responsible for violence
only 4.4% believe it's easy access to guns

Wow.


This. 

The distribution of answers on that question is quite amazing. I guess blame the parents can work for anyting... In 24 hrs of being a parent, most people work 8-12hrs, sleep 6-8 , so they can overseer their children in that period from after coming from work to falling into bed tired as hell. With the easy availibility of mature content on the TV, internet and other media, parents have either a choice either of becoming a dictator figure or not having control when they are out of house. With almost every american teen TV series demoting parent and teacher figures as silly, not in the touch with the real world and laughable, and celebs promoting a whole range of noble qualities (like that nice girl hannah montana :) ), it's really not hard for kids to grow out messed up. Add an increased popularity and acceptance of divorces, and there you go.

Yep, definately parents are the one to blame.

Disclaimer: I'm not a parent :)

People haven't figured out that American society for the past couple of decades have decayed to utter fecal matter.

To remediate, just give everybody a gun.



NobleTeam360 on 12 November 2013
Cobretti2 said:
NobleTeam360 said:
MDMAlliance said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Sorry pretty common sense, at least the majority of law enforcement know that trying to ban guns in any form won't stop the criminals. Your delusional if you do.


I think you have a misunderstanding of the other side.  I doubt that the other side is thinking "if we ban guns, criminals will disappear!"  I think that the more restrictive gun laws are more for school shootings and the such.  I think the other side would say that more restrictive gun laws would help keep guns out of the hands of mentally unstable individuals.  It may sound like a stretch, but to say they are delusional for thinking that, you have to be pretty arrogant yourself.

No offense but even with more gun control someone that wants to go shoot up a school building can and will get there hands on a gun, no amount of gun laws will stop them from getting one to do something illegal. 

Australia says hi, no mass shootings since the ban of automatics and stricter gun laws.

Sure criminals still have guns however with limited rounds. Usually here they are gangs that shoot each other so in general the public are pretty safe.

 

Gun control can be better regulated in Island nations, much harder to do in countries like the United States that has over 5 times the population with a borderline failed state to our south. 



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killerzX on 12 November 2013
Torillian said:
killerzX said:

if you have ever been to a military base, you'd realize just how little they are actually gaurded. there are sentrys at the gate. and thats about it. its basically the same as an other town or city with a police force.


I lived in military bases off and on throughout my entire childhood, and I think you really can't just ignore the sentries at the gate as well as the military police presence being equated to that of standard town with police.  We'll have to just disagree on this point, but I find it hard to think of a base where you have to show an armed guard ID just to get in as some hippy love-in where someone would expect to be able to attack without repurcussions.  

1st, sorry i worded that poorly, as i was leaving for class. it wasnt meant to be an accusation that you havent been to a military base, it was supposed to be a question, if you had.

2nd. pretty much the only thing the guards at the front gate do is check your ID, and let you through. it could be any ID, heck it could probably be a library card. if they ask you anything, which they most likely wont, you just say you are visiting family, or going to the musuem or something like that.

like i said, the only armed people are the police force, just like any other gun free zone. 



MikeRox on 13 November 2013
NobleTeam360 said:
Cobretti2 said:
NobleTeam360 said:
MDMAlliance said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Sorry pretty common sense, at least the majority of law enforcement know that trying to ban guns in any form won't stop the criminals. Your delusional if you do.


I think you have a misunderstanding of the other side.  I doubt that the other side is thinking "if we ban guns, criminals will disappear!"  I think that the more restrictive gun laws are more for school shootings and the such.  I think the other side would say that more restrictive gun laws would help keep guns out of the hands of mentally unstable individuals.  It may sound like a stretch, but to say they are delusional for thinking that, you have to be pretty arrogant yourself.

No offense but even with more gun control someone that wants to go shoot up a school building can and will get there hands on a gun, no amount of gun laws will stop them from getting one to do something illegal. 

Australia says hi, no mass shootings since the ban of automatics and stricter gun laws.

Sure criminals still have guns however with limited rounds. Usually here they are gangs that shoot each other so in general the public are pretty safe.

 

Gun control can be better regulated in Island nations, much harder to do in countries like the United States that has over 5 times the population with a borderline failed state to our south. 


Please elaborate on this. You make it sound like all the US gun problems stem from Mexico! I guess you can apply that if gun control fails.



RIP Dad 25/11/51 - 13/12/13. You will be missed but never forgotten.

NobleTeam360 on 13 November 2013
MikeRox said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Cobretti2 said:
NobleTeam360 said:
MDMAlliance said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Sorry pretty common sense, at least the majority of law enforcement know that trying to ban guns in any form won't stop the criminals. Your delusional if you do.


I think you have a misunderstanding of the other side.  I doubt that the other side is thinking "if we ban guns, criminals will disappear!"  I think that the more restrictive gun laws are more for school shootings and the such.  I think the other side would say that more restrictive gun laws would help keep guns out of the hands of mentally unstable individuals.  It may sound like a stretch, but to say they are delusional for thinking that, you have to be pretty arrogant yourself.

No offense but even with more gun control someone that wants to go shoot up a school building can and will get there hands on a gun, no amount of gun laws will stop them from getting one to do something illegal. 

Australia says hi, no mass shootings since the ban of automatics and stricter gun laws.

Sure criminals still have guns however with limited rounds. Usually here they are gangs that shoot each other so in general the public are pretty safe.

 

Gun control can be better regulated in Island nations, much harder to do in countries like the United States that has over 5 times the population with a borderline failed state to our south. 


Please elaborate on this. You make it sound like all the US gun problems stem from Mexico! I guess you can apply that if gun control fails.

Did I say that? no stop trying to put words in people mouths.



MikeRox on 13 November 2013
NobleTeam360 said:
MikeRox said:
NobleTeam360 said:

Gun control can be better regulated in Island nations, much harder to do in countries like the United States that has over 5 times the population with a borderline failed state to our south. 


Please elaborate on this. You make it sound like all the US gun problems stem from Mexico! I guess you can apply that if gun control fails.

Did I say that? no stop trying to put words in people mouths.


No elaboration then. What about the European countries which all have similar regulations? Combined the EU has a much higher population than the US and no where near the systemic problem of shootings the US has.

The last mass shootings in most countries, are the mass shootings before gun regulation is introduced. It may not sit well with your beliefs, but it's  a fact.



RIP Dad 25/11/51 - 13/12/13. You will be missed but never forgotten.

NobleTeam360 on 13 November 2013
MikeRox said:
NobleTeam360 said:
MikeRox said:
NobleTeam360 said:

Gun control can be better regulated in Island nations, much harder to do in countries like the United States that has over 5 times the population with a borderline failed state to our south. 


Please elaborate on this. You make it sound like all the US gun problems stem from Mexico! I guess you can apply that if gun control fails.

Did I say that? no stop trying to put words in people mouths.


No elaboration then. What about the European countries which all have similar regulations? Combined the EU has a much higher population than the US and no where near the systemic problem of shootings the US has.

The last mass shootings in most countries, are the mass shootings before gun regulation is introduced. It may not sit well with your beliefs, but it's  a fact.

 Like I said before I'm for reasonable gun control, I'm only against the out right ban of any type of gun.