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oni-link said:
at this point I think no real Nintendo fan will care what specs the Wii U has!!! I for one don't care if it has the specs of a 15 year old Sega Dreamcast (I'm so tired of the BS about specs taking a rumor as fact) as long as it produces games as beautiful as SM3DW, X, Rayman Legends, Bayo2 etc!!! People shouldn't give a shit about which console has the biggest D!ck as long as it satisfies their needs no? Besides PC outshines any of the "big" 3's consoles anyday...so does Steam Machines!!!


I agree with you, I am here just refuting the obvious rumor and fallacy...

Fatslob forces a rumor as a fact yet the die shot, mm^2 available for GPU and other things say otherwise... He can't handle it.

Specs don't matter, Wii ruled for several years straight stomping Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 in sales and software sales and DS proved PSP and 3DS proved Vita are no match to the attractive design and games, for three generations* in a row, weakest console won in sales and software sales.

Hopefully the Wii U will continue the trend.



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eyeofcore said:
oni-link said:
at this point I think no real Nintendo fan will care what specs the Wii U has!!! I for one don't care if it has the specs of a 15 year old Sega Dreamcast (I'm so tired of the BS about specs taking a rumor as fact) as long as it produces games as beautiful as SM3DW, X, Rayman Legends, Bayo2 etc!!! People shouldn't give a shit about which console has the biggest D!ck as long as it satisfies their needs no? Besides PC outshines any of the "big" 3's consoles anyday...so does Steam Machines!!!


I agree with you, I am here just refuting the obvious rumor and fallacy...

Fatslob forces a rumor as a fact yet the die shot, mm^2 available for GPU and other things say otherwise... He can't handle it.

Specs don't matter, Wii ruled for several years straight stomping Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 in sales and software sales and DS proved PSP and 3DS proved Vita are no match to the attractive design and games, for three years in a row, weakest console won in sales and software sales.

Hopefully the Wii U will continue the trend.

Die shots don't matter when a console is taking less than 35 watts. Deal with it! 

This rumor is partly backed up by the fact that it takes less than 35 watts. Deal with it once again. 

BTW what fallacy is there when you yourself can't back up your point with sources ? (Uh oh it really sounds like your reaching for that damage control LOL.)



I'll just post what I said in the Gaf thread that started this thread. Those of you that are having kittens about this 160:8:8 rumour need to do the following:

1) Look at the trailers, demos and adverts for Super Mario 3D World

2) Look at the trailers and demos of Bayonetta 2

3) Look at the trailers and demos of X

4) Look at the trailers and demos of Mario Kart 8

5) Look at the trailers and demos of SSBU

6) Play Pikmin 3

7) Play The Wonderful 101



And relax. Those titles above are all either first generation or early second generation titles and are all beyond the capabilities of the PS3 and 360 to reproduce. We've known for a while that in terms of power the Wii U is somewhere between the 360 and PS4 and that engines are scalable.

We also know that if there are indeed 160 ALUs that they are in some way 'special' because the amount of silicone taken up by each one is larger than they need to be. It isn't a bog-standard 160 ALU GPU because the TMUs and ROPs are the same value which is very odd. There are usually twice as many ROPs.

Anyone panicking about the Wii U's power or gloating over the lack of it needs to follow those 7 steps and relax.



fatslob-:O said:
eyeofcore said:
oni-link said:
at this point I think no real Nintendo fan will care what specs the Wii U has!!! I for one don't care if it has the specs of a 15 year old Sega Dreamcast (I'm so tired of the BS about specs taking a rumor as fact) as long as it produces games as beautiful as SM3DW, X, Rayman Legends, Bayo2 etc!!! People shouldn't give a shit about which console has the biggest D!ck as long as it satisfies their needs no? Besides PC outshines any of the "big" 3's consoles anyday...so does Steam Machines!!!


I agree with you, I am here just refuting the obvious rumor and fallacy...

Fatslob forces a rumor as a fact yet the die shot, mm^2 available for GPU and other things say otherwise... He can't handle it.

Specs don't matter, Wii ruled for several years straight stomping Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 in sales and software sales and DS proved PSP and 3DS proved Vita are no match to the attractive design and games, for three years in a row, weakest console won in sales and software sales.

Hopefully the Wii U will continue the trend.

Die shots don't matter when a console is taking less than 35 watts. Deal with it! 

This rumor is partly backed up by the fact that it takes less than 35 watts. Deal with it once again. 

BTW what fallacy is there when you yourself can't back up your point with sources ? (Uh oh it really sounds like your reaching for that damage control LOL.)


Die Shot matters and it is proof and you negate it... It is 35 watts highest...

I quote myself...

"Hmmm... Care to tell me something that I did not knew? So you deny that process/litography quality can not be improved or that a higher quality silicon can be used?

Wow... Your forceful premise and guesses are constant, I follow AMD and I follow their stock yet it is not my primariy focus compared to finding a job in this recession. Recent leaks point out that Kaveri/Steamroller will have lower floating yet higher interger performance intentionally so floating points calculations/processing will be offloaded to GPU... This will make worser performance in older games :/

So Radeon HD 6570M is 104mm^2 so they can squeeze it under 100.71mm^2, die size of 93.6mm^2. Thanks for the information.

Chipworks guy said that Latte's GPU is heavily customized and that he could not tell what kind of AMD's GPU is so it is supposedly extremely customized design, by the way. You crushed your theory and theory of that guy that it is 160-200 shaders LMAO."

"Nope... It is 30 watts, at worse it is 35 watts sometimes and the power supply is 75 watts with 90% efficiency so it can handle 67.5 watts at max and degradation of the power supply unit is ignorable if not stressed fully to reduce its life span.

How can we be certain that Nintendo did not locked resources? Just in case if the system/OS is unstable...

You need to deal with this... You are looking at PC GPU's not mobile/embedded ones at all also does that TDP include GDDR3/GDDR5 memory into TDP/power consumption plus the board its self? If so then remove GDDR3(I know that 1GB 65nm one uses 20watts) or if is GDDR5(2GB 46nm is 7.5-8 watts so 512MB is 1.75-2 watts) then that the board its self could take a couple of more watts. So look at Radeon HD 6570M... 30 watt rated TDP, if 1GB of GDDR3 45nm then lets remove that thus power consumption goes down to 16 watts then lower the clocks from 600 to 550 thus power consumption goes down to 13.6 then we remove the board that could use 1-2 watts and it is 11.6-12.6 then we add like 2-3 watts that 32mb eDRAM uses and we are around 12.6-15.6.

I might be wrong, you may say I am FOS yet I might be right or yet we both don't know s*** when comes to what is used in TDP calculation of GPU since GDDR3/GDDR5 consume noticeable amount of watts and can add to heat of the GPU."

Only person doing damage control is you, here, right now, this instance, pronto! You are FOS.

 

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sonic321 said:
kopstudent89 said:
How can one person say it's twice as strong as the PS3/360 and another say it's weaker than them. Let's try to agree on it cause it does not us who have no idea what they mean. Thing is it looks better than last gen to me from the potential I've seen, just not that much better tbf


it's basically a 360 with more ram, it's a sorry excuse for a nextgen console, your paying for last gen tech and no real third party support to boot.


No. You're paying for current gen tech, it's just that this tech isn't high-end.



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eyeofcore said:
fatslob-:O said:
eyeofcore said:
oni-link said:
at this point I think no real Nintendo fan will care what specs the Wii U has!!! I for one don't care if it has the specs of a 15 year old Sega Dreamcast (I'm so tired of the BS about specs taking a rumor as fact) as long as it produces games as beautiful as SM3DW, X, Rayman Legends, Bayo2 etc!!! People shouldn't give a shit about which console has the biggest D!ck as long as it satisfies their needs no? Besides PC outshines any of the "big" 3's consoles anyday...so does Steam Machines!!!


I agree with you, I am here just refuting the obvious rumor and fallacy...

Fatslob forces a rumor as a fact yet the die shot, mm^2 available for GPU and other things say otherwise... He can't handle it.

Specs don't matter, Wii ruled for several years straight stomping Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 in sales and software sales and DS proved PSP and 3DS proved Vita are no match to the attractive design and games, for three years in a row, weakest console won in sales and software sales.

Hopefully the Wii U will continue the trend.

Die shots don't matter when a console is taking less than 35 watts. Deal with it! 

This rumor is partly backed up by the fact that it takes less than 35 watts. Deal with it once again. 

BTW what fallacy is there when you yourself can't back up your point with sources ? (Uh oh it really sounds like your reaching for that damage control LOL.)


Die Shot matters and it is proof and you negate it... It is 35 watts highest...

I quote myself...

"Hmmm... Care to tell me something that I did not knew? So you deny that process/litography quality can not be improved or that a higher quality silicon can be used?

Wow... Your forceful premise and guesses are constant, I follow AMD and I follow their stock yet it is not my primariy focus compared to finding a job in this recession. Recent leaks point out that Kaveri/Steamroller will have lower floating yet higher interger performance intentionally so floating points calculations/processing will be offloaded to GPU... This will make worser performance in older games :/

So Radeon HD 6570M is 104mm^2 so they can squeeze it under 100.71mm^2, die size of 93.6mm^2. Thanks for the information.

Chipworks guy said that Latte's GPU is heavily customized and that he could not tell what kind of AMD's GPU is so it is supposedly extremely customized design, by the way. You crushed your theory and theory of that guy that it is 160-200 shaders LMAO."

"Nope... It is 30 watts, at worse it is 35 watts sometimes and the power supply is 75 watts with 90% efficiency so it can handle 67.5 watts at max and degradation of the power supply unit is ignorable if not stressed fully to reduce its life span.

How can we be certain that Nintendo did not locked resources? Just in case if the system/OS is unstable...

You need to deal with this... You are looking at PC GPU's not mobile/embedded ones at all also does that TDP include GDDR3/GDDR5 memory into TDP/power consumption plus the board its self? If so then remove GDDR3(I know that 1GB 65nm one uses 20watts) or if is GDDR5(2GB 46nm is 7.5-8 watts so 512MB is 1.75-2 watts) then that the board its self could take a couple of more watts. So look at Radeon HD 6570M... 30 watt rated TDP, if 1GB of GDDR3 45nm then lets remove that thus power consumption goes down to 16 watts then lower the clocks from 600 to 550 thus power consumption goes down to 13.6 then we remove the board that could use 1-2 watts and it is 11.6-12.6 then we add like 2-3 watts that 32mb eDRAM uses and we are around 12.6-15.6.

I might be wrong, you may say I am FOS yet I might be right or yet we both don't know s*** when comes to what is used in TDP calculation of GPU since GDDR3/GDDR5 consume noticeable amount of watts and can add to heat of the GPU."

Only person doing damage control is you, here, right now, this instance, pronto! You are FOS.

I won't even respond to what people call a post but this ain't no post this more like shit if you ask anyone. It's like talking to a brick wall that won't learn a damn even after getting owned at anandtech LOL.



fatslob-:O said:
eyeofcore said:
fatslob-:O said:
eyeofcore said:
oni-link said:
at this point I think no real Nintendo fan will care what specs the Wii U has!!! I for one don't care if it has the specs of a 15 year old Sega Dreamcast (I'm so tired of the BS about specs taking a rumor as fact) as long as it produces games as beautiful as SM3DW, X, Rayman Legends, Bayo2 etc!!! People shouldn't give a shit about which console has the biggest D!ck as long as it satisfies their needs no? Besides PC outshines any of the "big" 3's consoles anyday...so does Steam Machines!!!


I agree with you, I am here just refuting the obvious rumor and fallacy...

Fatslob forces a rumor as a fact yet the die shot, mm^2 available for GPU and other things say otherwise... He can't handle it.

Specs don't matter, Wii ruled for several years straight stomping Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 in sales and software sales and DS proved PSP and 3DS proved Vita are no match to the attractive design and games, for three years in a row, weakest console won in sales and software sales.

Hopefully the Wii U will continue the trend.

Die shots don't matter when a console is taking less than 35 watts. Deal with it! 

This rumor is partly backed up by the fact that it takes less than 35 watts. Deal with it once again. 

BTW what fallacy is there when you yourself can't back up your point with sources ? (Uh oh it really sounds like your reaching for that damage control LOL.)


Die Shot matters and it is proof and you negate it... It is 35 watts highest...

I quote myself...

"Hmmm... Care to tell me something that I did not knew? So you deny that process/litography quality can not be improved or that a higher quality silicon can be used?

Wow... Your forceful premise and guesses are constant, I follow AMD and I follow their stock yet it is not my primariy focus compared to finding a job in this recession. Recent leaks point out that Kaveri/Steamroller will have lower floating yet higher interger performance intentionally so floating points calculations/processing will be offloaded to GPU... This will make worser performance in older games :/

So Radeon HD 6570M is 104mm^2 so they can squeeze it under 100.71mm^2, die size of 93.6mm^2. Thanks for the information.

Chipworks guy said that Latte's GPU is heavily customized and that he could not tell what kind of AMD's GPU is so it is supposedly extremely customized design, by the way. You crushed your theory and theory of that guy that it is 160-200 shaders LMAO."

"Nope... It is 30 watts, at worse it is 35 watts sometimes and the power supply is 75 watts with 90% efficiency so it can handle 67.5 watts at max and degradation of the power supply unit is ignorable if not stressed fully to reduce its life span.

How can we be certain that Nintendo did not locked resources? Just in case if the system/OS is unstable...

You need to deal with this... You are looking at PC GPU's not mobile/embedded ones at all also does that TDP include GDDR3/GDDR5 memory into TDP/power consumption plus the board its self? If so then remove GDDR3(I know that 1GB 65nm one uses 20watts) or if is GDDR5(2GB 46nm is 7.5-8 watts so 512MB is 1.75-2 watts) then that the board its self could take a couple of more watts. So look at Radeon HD 6570M... 30 watt rated TDP, if 1GB of GDDR3 45nm then lets remove that thus power consumption goes down to 16 watts then lower the clocks from 600 to 550 thus power consumption goes down to 13.6 then we remove the board that could use 1-2 watts and it is 11.6-12.6 then we add like 2-3 watts that 32mb eDRAM uses and we are around 12.6-15.6.

I might be wrong, you may say I am FOS yet I might be right or yet we both don't know s*** when comes to what is used in TDP calculation of GPU since GDDR3/GDDR5 consume noticeable amount of watts and can add to heat of the GPU."

Only person doing damage control is you, here, right now, this instance, pronto! You are FOS.

I won't even respond to what people call a post but this ain't no post this more like shit if you ask anyone. It's like talking to a brick wall that won't learn a damn even after getting owned at anandtech LOL.


@bold grasping straws in desperation, lurking like a scanvenger and stalking like a crow... Forcing a pre determined mindset to fellas around you because you are weak alone.



eyeofcore said:
fatslob-:O said:
eyeofcore said:
oni-link said:
at this point I think no real Nintendo fan will care what specs the Wii U has!!! I for one don't care if it has the specs of a 15 year old Sega Dreamcast (I'm so tired of the BS about specs taking a rumor as fact) as long as it produces games as beautiful as SM3DW, X, Rayman Legends, Bayo2 etc!!! People shouldn't give a shit about which console has the biggest D!ck as long as it satisfies their needs no? Besides PC outshines any of the "big" 3's consoles anyday...so does Steam Machines!!!


I agree with you, I am here just refuting the obvious rumor and fallacy...

Fatslob forces a rumor as a fact yet the die shot, mm^2 available for GPU and other things say otherwise... He can't handle it.

Specs don't matter, Wii ruled for several years straight stomping Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 in sales and software sales and DS proved PSP and 3DS proved Vita are no match to the attractive design and games, for three years in a row, weakest console won in sales and software sales.

Hopefully the Wii U will continue the trend.

Die shots don't matter when a console is taking less than 35 watts. Deal with it! 

This rumor is partly backed up by the fact that it takes less than 35 watts. Deal with it once again. 

BTW what fallacy is there when you yourself can't back up your point with sources ? (Uh oh it really sounds like your reaching for that damage control LOL.)


Die Shot matters and it is proof and you negate it... It is 35 watts highest...

I quote myself...

"Hmmm... Care to tell me something that I did not knew? So you deny that process/litography quality can not be improved or that a higher quality silicon can be used?

Wow... Your forceful premise and guesses are constant, I follow AMD and I follow their stock yet it is not my primariy focus compared to finding a job in this recession. Recent leaks point out that Kaveri/Steamroller will have lower floating yet higher interger performance intentionally so floating points calculations/processing will be offloaded to GPU... This will make worser performance in older games :/

So Radeon HD 6570M is 104mm^2 so they can squeeze it under 100.71mm^2, die size of 93.6mm^2. Thanks for the information.

Chipworks guy said that Latte's GPU is heavily customized and that he could not tell what kind of AMD's GPU is so it is supposedly extremely customized design, by the way. You crushed your theory and theory of that guy that it is 160-200 shaders LMAO."

"Nope... It is 30 watts, at worse it is 35 watts sometimes and the power supply is 75 watts with 90% efficiency so it can handle 67.5 watts at max and degradation of the power supply unit is ignorable if not stressed fully to reduce its life span.

How can we be certain that Nintendo did not locked resources? Just in case if the system/OS is unstable...

You need to deal with this... You are looking at PC GPU's not mobile/embedded ones at all also does that TDP include GDDR3/GDDR5 memory into TDP/power consumption plus the board its self? If so then remove GDDR3(I know that 1GB 65nm one uses 20watts) or if is GDDR5(2GB 46nm is 7.5-8 watts so 512MB is 1.75-2 watts) then that the board its self could take a couple of more watts. So look at Radeon HD 6570M... 30 watt rated TDP, if 1GB of GDDR3 45nm then lets remove that thus power consumption goes down to 16 watts then lower the clocks from 600 to 550 thus power consumption goes down to 13.6 then we remove the board that could use 1-2 watts and it is 11.6-12.6 then we add like 2-3 watts that 32mb eDRAM uses and we are around 12.6-15.6.

I might be wrong, you may say I am FOS yet I might be right or yet we both don't know s*** when comes to what is used in TDP calculation of GPU since GDDR3/GDDR5 consume noticeable amount of watts and can add to heat of the GPU."

Only person doing damage control is you, here, right now, this instance, pronto! You are FOS.


Eyeforce it doesn't matter the fact that he took bgassasin's word/rumor (which is obviously flawed hence shinen's rebuttal response) as fact shows it's a pointless endeavor debating with him!!!  Looking at how current ports like SC:BL, AC:IV, Trine2, NFS:MW, along with statements from Havokhttp://thewiiu.com/topic/3685-havok-talks-engine-use-on-wii-u-says-youll-see-things-you-wont-see-elsewhere/, Frozenbyte http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1999044/wii_u_is_a_truly_powerful_console_more_powerful_than_360_and_ps3_trine_2_dev.html, Unity http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Wii-U-GPGPU-Squashes-Xbox-360-PS3-Capable-DirectX-11-Equivalent-Graphics-47126.html and now recently Shin'en regarding the rumor https://twitter.com/ShinenGames.  Again  I am tired of all this made up shit (which is obviously defamation tactics used by anti-Nintendo fanboys) about the Wii U specs.  They can say it is as powerful as the N64 (which Ninjablade said once) for all I care...but I don't care as long as I am playing games that look this good:



or like this

 

and this:



or like this!

oh wait that one got canned, nevermind. XD