Sorry comparing Ryse or God of war to teh original Ninja Gaiden on th exbox is ajoke. Ninja gaiden the orignal one to thsi day still beats any hack and slash game as its based on pure skill and its challenging plus the comabt is moe in depth then both god of war and ryse combine. If you repeat teh moves inthe original gaiden ,, you will be killed.

The thing is you were speaking as if 1080p is "insta win."

I could argue Halo 4 is the best looking game of the gen because of its large enviornments, many character models running around, vehicles, etc. Yet people tell me Uncharted and Last of U are the best looking games of the gen.

Based on the Ryse game play trailers. We see a large number of character models and large detailed enviornments. It was stunning. I saw Killzone trailers, they honestly didn't really impress me much compared to BF4.

However, I'm gonna wait for the final products before I make a judgement.

You are missunderstanding me my friend.

You could argue Halo 4 is the best looking game TECHNICALLY (although sandbox games are in general the most impressive ones technically).

I am trying to tell you that there's a difference between a game being visually stunning and technically stunning.

I am telling you that there is a vast chance that Killzone will be technically more impressive than Ryse. But I am not saying Killzone will be the better looking one visually.

Awards and what people generally go by is mostly visually.

Yes a game that is large is impressive, but if you judge them based on pure looks without taking any of that into consideration => Linear games most of the time will take the win. Hence why Uncharted and TLOU are known as being among this generations best looking console titles.

Now:
Selnor said that Ryse is technically better than Killzone whereas I stated: Due to Killzone looking the way it does compared to Ryse AND running on 1080 => it is unlikely (especially since you have to factor the KIND of games they are here as well). Technically: Killzone is probably doing more than Ryse just like Halo 4 did more than ..say Beyond Two Souls (to make a very clear example).

What will people find more visually appealing and give awards to most likely had Beyond and Halo been released at the same time? Beyond (seeming as Journey even got more than Halo 4 in 2012).

But who knows. Maybe Killzone looks like shit once its released and it was all smoke and mirrors. I am not debunking that Ryse might be visually, better looking. I too am waiting for a release.

We'll have to wait and see. I've been hearing the same of KZ:SF, and it's definitely not a slouch from what I've been seeing. Either way. Ryse does look impressive. Hopefully it delivers and turns out to be much more than eye candy. I can't wait to try it. I love period piece games, especially in the era of Ancient Rome.

This, Ninja Gaiden on the original XBox is the deepest hack-n-slash I have ever played, and one of the best games of all time.

I feel the line is blurry between "technical" and "visual." You're feel they're completely different things, I don't necessarily agree.

Its just easier to say lets wait for the final product.

Yep! Ninja Gaiden Original Xbox version is the best action game there is and then Bayonneta. "My opinion of course"

But Killzone's campaign could have been 60 fps if they just dropped the campaign resolution, perhaps to 900p. So they're sacrificing frames for resolution.

You get the point in my 7th gen example. There is more to great graphics than resolution.

CoD Ghosts on 7th gen consoles and Metal Gear Rising potentially could have been 1080p at 30 fps. But would those games be considered the best looking 7th gen titles because of the resolution? Absolutely not.

Fair enough :P (If I felt they were completely different, I wouldn't mention them together. KZ is giving Ryse a run on a pure visual note in my opinion and the technical side is most likely ahead of Ryse, hence why it's relevant. If Shadow Fall somehow is somehow more visually pleasing to all the reviewers and the technical aspect is ahead: Then that's pretty damn crazy. But yeah we really need to wait for the final product.)

Wut?

He said he likes new Kinect Features, the PS4 not going to get as much support for it's camera because it is not included, and likes the haptic triggers of the X1 controler. How in the world is this any dig on another console?

He didn't say anything negative about the DS4 or touch pad.  Just saying things he likes - I'm not following you.