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Osc89 on 06 November 2013
FrancisNobleman said:
Osc89 said:


I don't see why they should be bothered. If you look at the graph you posted, you can see that iOS is the second fastest growing product in tech history. Every year so far sales of the new iPhone have increased over the previous version. The same can't be said for high-end Android phones, for example the Galaxy S4 was a sales disappointment, causing Samsung to focus more on mid-range phones.

Android is only so prevelant because it is free, so manufacturers throw it on everything they have instead of having to make their own.As you can see from the profits of each company, most people want an Apple or Samsung phone, with the rest going for something cheap. Not many people go out looking for an "Android" or "iOS" phone. Most decide whether they want high-end or low-end based on their budget, and the majority of people going for high-end (which has far higher margins) end up with an iPhone.

Have a look at this: http://www.forbes.com/sites/tonybradley/2013/10/29/apple-can-ignore-android-market-share-stats-all-the-way-to-the-bank/

Android Market Share in 2007: 0%
Android market share right now: 81%

android marketshare in 3 years: above 90?

 

iPhone sales can increase all the way you want, if android keeps gathering marketshare, ios is going down eventually. The problem here is that you have a handfull of phones and 2 or 3 tablets on the iOS side, battling an OS fight against an horde of other devices. And if android is free, that's not a problem for google it seems. Thats also not a problem for angry birds :)

 

And I would like to see your source for the bolded. Because high-end phone on iOS means the latest from apple. 5C is mid range. High end on android means a plethora of devices.

 

So compare the sales from iphone 5S, with the sales of high-end android phones from: Xioami, Samsung, HTC, LG, Asus, Google, Sony, Motorola, ViVo, ZTE, Oppo, and that's enough to prove my point.

 

Do you think iPhone sells more than all of those combined ? 

 

Nope, it doesn't. That's why android has been skyrocketing. It's not about a single overpriced device. It's about an OS that fits in every piece of hardware. Like windows many years ago.


Android being free is a problem for Google, as the customers it attracts will generally be poorer. That is why Google themselves make 80% of mobile revenue on iOS rather than the 20% on Android: http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/03/29/google_earns_80_of_its_mobile_revenue_from_ios_just_20_from_android.

iPhone customers are just more valuable. Look at Facebook. They make 1790% more profit on iPhone than Android: http://macdailynews.com/2013/10/16/facebook-ad-profit-a-staggering-1790-more-on-apple-iphone-than-android/.

It is clear that other companies have realised that high-end = Apple. And the sales show it as well. In 2012, Apple sold around 75m iPhones, compared to around 53m Samsung high-end (Galaxys and Notes). LG Nexus, Lumia, and HTC One were all at around 3m each, with the rest less than 1m. I'm not sure why you think companies other than Apple and Samsung are doing so well, given that they together are making a loss.

Have a read of this to understand why largest marketshare doesn't necessarily mean best position: http://techpinions.com/androids-market-share-is-literally-a-joke/16709.



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Moren on 06 November 2013

I love Android. I've been in love with my HTC One since I bought it; however, complete Android dominance would be horrible.

iOS and Windows OS are great for diversity.



Alby_da_Wolf on 07 November 2013

Windows monopoly could not be attacked from competitors within the PC market, but an attacker coming from outside could succeed, if the external market is bigger, grows faster and its devices will become more and more able to replace PCs. MS should have studied game theory...



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FrancisNobleman on 07 November 2013
Osc89 said:


1) Android being free is a problem for Google, as the customers it attracts will generally be poorer. That is why Google themselves make 80% of mobile revenue on iOS rather than the 20% on Android: http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/03/29/google_earns_80_of_its_mobile_revenue_from_ios_just_20_from_android.

2) iPhone customers are just more valuable. Look at Facebook. They make 1790% more profit on iPhone than Android: http://macdailynews.com/2013/10/16/facebook-ad-profit-a-staggering-1790-more-on-apple-iphone-than-android/.

3) It is clear that other companies have realised that high-end = Apple. And the sales show it as well. In 2012, Apple sold around 75m iPhones, compared to around 53m Samsung high-end (Galaxys and Notes). LG Nexus, Lumia, and HTC One were all at around 3m each, with the rest less than 1m. I'm not sure why you think companies other than Apple and Samsung are doing so well, given that they together are making a loss.

4) Have a read of this to understand why largest marketshare doesn't necessarily mean best position: http://techpinions.com/androids-market-share-is-literally-a-joke/16709.


1) Its about the same problem as the bundled windows on computers vs the overpriced Macintosh some years ago.

2) Agreed, till the latest data proves otherwise, Apple is just more profitable and that's were the money is. Like Blackberry before the sunden fall.

3) It is? Why do you grab on those 75M from Apple overall, including the outdated and shitty devices, and compare to the other brands but only including high end ? Samsung alone trumps Apple in device sales counting all models and prices of smartphones, if you put the others into that, you got what you have in the thread title. Android dominance. Sorry but this is so obvious and known for quite a while that I don't know how can you not see it.

samsung outsells nokia + apple + lg: http://venturebeat.com/2013/10/29/global-phone-sales-hit-418m-and-samsung-sells-more-than-nokia-apple-lg-combined/

4) Grab a calculator to understand how the apple marketshare has been shrinking at a rapid pace for the last 5 years and how that's gonna affect the future of a company that once was double the value it is now. It lowered its value because of android and lack of innovation. Blackberry all over again.

 

Note: Lumia is windows OS. Cannot be included on this.



FrancisNobleman on 07 November 2013
Osc89 said:


1) Android being free is a problem for Google, as the customers it attracts will generally be poorer. That is why Google themselves make 80% of mobile revenue on iOS rather than the 20% on Android: http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/03/29/google_earns_80_of_its_mobile_revenue_from_ios_just_20_from_android.

2) iPhone customers are just more valuable. Look at Facebook. They make 1790% more profit on iPhone than Android: http://macdailynews.com/2013/10/16/facebook-ad-profit-a-staggering-1790-more-on-apple-iphone-than-android/.

3) It is clear that other companies have realised that high-end = Apple. And the sales show it as well. In 2012, Apple sold around 75m iPhones, compared to around 53m Samsung high-end (Galaxys and Notes). LG Nexus, Lumia, and HTC One were all at around 3m each, with the rest less than 1m. I'm not sure why you think companies other than Apple and Samsung are doing so well, given that they together are making a loss.

4) Have a read of this to understand why largest marketshare doesn't necessarily mean best position: http://techpinions.com/androids-market-share-is-literally-a-joke/16709.


1) Its about the same problem as the bundled windows on computers vs the overpriced Macintosh some years ago.

2) Agreed, till the latest data proves otherwise, Apple is just more profitable and that's were the money is. Like Blackberry before the sunden fall.

3) It is? Why do you grab on those 75M from Apple overall, including the outdated and shitty devices, and compare to the other brands but only including high end ? Samsung alone trumps Apple in device sales counting all models and prices of smartphones, if you put the others into that, you got what you have in the thread title. Android dominance. Sorry but this is so obvious and known for quite a while that I don't know how can you not see it.

samsung outsells nokia + apple + lg: http://venturebeat.com/2013/10/29/global-phone-sales-hit-418m-and-samsung-sells-more-than-nokia-apple-lg-combined/

4) Grab a calculator to understand how the apple marketshare has been shrinking at a rapid pace for the last 5 years and how that's gonna affect the future of a company that once was double the value it is now. It lowered its value because of android and lack of innovation. Blackberry all over again.

 

Note: Lumia is windows OS. Cannot be included on this.



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DirtyP2002 on 07 November 2013
justinian said:
RenCutypoison said:
Osc89 said:
FrancisNobleman said:
I predict iPhone (not Apple) will go the way of the blackberry if the current trend for the past 5 years continues.

Android will just smash every other OS, unless someone does something radical about this. It's the new Windows all over again.


That seems very unlikely. Have a look at this: http://techland.time.com/2013/04/16/ios-vs-android/

Apple is making 72% of the profit of the entire smartphone industry. Samsung is making 29% (from Android and Windows). Everyone else is losing money or breaking even.


That has been apple policy for the last 15 years, making more money with less people.


Apple appeals to the rich and those better off. That matters.

Android is a great product when combined with a decent phone (hardware). The OS on cheaper phones is a nightmare and turns people off.

Chrome OS is also doing very well. According to  recent NPD report:

Chromebooks accounted for 3.3% of total computer sales (some 175,000 units) to Apple’s 20.3% (-3% in Macbook sales) and Windows 58% (down from 62% same time frame last year).

Now even MS is "worried".

http://seekingalpha.com/article/1767072-microsoft-it-is-time-to-take-chrome-os-seriously


Hahahahahaha you can't be talking about the iPhone!



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Osc89 on 07 November 2013
FrancisNobleman said:
Osc89 said:


1) Android being free is a problem for Google, as the customers it attracts will generally be poorer. That is why Google themselves make 80% of mobile revenue on iOS rather than the 20% on Android: http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/03/29/google_earns_80_of_its_mobile_revenue_from_ios_just_20_from_android.

2) iPhone customers are just more valuable. Look at Facebook. They make 1790% more profit on iPhone than Android: http://macdailynews.com/2013/10/16/facebook-ad-profit-a-staggering-1790-more-on-apple-iphone-than-android/.

3) It is clear that other companies have realised that high-end = Apple. And the sales show it as well. In 2012, Apple sold around 75m iPhones, compared to around 53m Samsung high-end (Galaxys and Notes). LG Nexus, Lumia, and HTC One were all at around 3m each, with the rest less than 1m. I'm not sure why you think companies other than Apple and Samsung are doing so well, given that they together are making a loss.

4) Have a read of this to understand why largest marketshare doesn't necessarily mean best position: http://techpinions.com/androids-market-share-is-literally-a-joke/16709.


1) Its about the same problem as the bundled windows on computers vs the overpriced Macintosh some years ago.

2) Agreed, till the latest data proves otherwise, Apple is just more profitable and that's were the money is. Like Blackberry before the sunden fall.

3) It is? Why do you grab on those 75M from Apple overall, including the outdated and shitty devices, and compare to the other brands but only including high end ? Samsung alone trumps Apple in device sales counting all models and prices of smartphones, if you put the others into that, you got what you have in the thread title. Android dominance. Sorry but this is so obvious and known for quite a while that I don't know how can you not see it.

samsung outsells nokia + apple + lg: http://venturebeat.com/2013/10/29/global-phone-sales-hit-418m-and-samsung-sells-more-than-nokia-apple-lg-combined/

4) Grab a calculator to understand how the apple marketshare has been shrinking at a rapid pace for the last 5 years and how that's gonna affect the future of a company that once was double the value it is now. It lowered its value because of android and lack of innovation. Blackberry all over again.

 

Note: Lumia is windows OS. Cannot be included on this.


You know that iOS and Android caused the all of Blackberry right? If iOS falls, it will be when something better comes along. That thing isn't Android, as they have managed to sell more and more iPhones every year despite Android.

I included all iPhones as they are all high end. Look at this: http://gizmodo.com/one-huge-reason-to-not-switch-to-android-or-windows-1301382833. A year old iPhone has retained more value than the latest Samsung phone. And it's even worse for other manufacturers. If you buy Android the value of your phone plummets. So it's only worth comparing the latest Android phones as they aren't worth anything a year later, unlike iPhones.

I don't know why you are showing me what Samsung sells in total, as they make devices for 3 OSes not just Android. And I haven't disputed Android's larger marketshare, but I've shown you that iOS owns the high-end marketshare, and is growing in this (most valuable) area compared to the others. Samsung had a disappointing year http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/galaxy-s4-reportedly-hits-40m-sales-roughly-on-par-with-s3-50012589/, but not for Apple http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/oct/21/iphone-5s-apple-top-us-september. Samsung sold the same number of their high-end phones, while Apple sold more of theirs.

You really need to read this: http://techpinions.com/androids-market-share-is-literally-a-joke/16709. I don't think you understand how marketshare actually impacts the success of a business.



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