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KHlover on 05 November 2013
MikeRox said:

Vita is fine, people can upgrade to it when they're fed up of the 3DS and enjoy a generational leap in handheld gaming as soon as they're ready for it :p

You never know, it might even have some games by then :D

All this potential and yet the best game for the system is a port of a PS2 game :/

It will - but only via PS4 Remote Play. With the announcement of the PS4 Vita went from a $250 to a $650 console. :(



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Dr.EisDrachenJaeger on 05 November 2013
Zekkyou said:
Dr.EisDrachenJaeger said:
You're missing the point, you trying to argue the Vita was any sort of "risk or massive upgrade, when it was just a response to changing with the times" is absolute ridiculous. Its garbage. Its a fallacious proposal.

Like I said they 3DS is one weird little console. Thats about as risky as any of this shit gets.

You're trying to make something out of nothing and its pitiful.

Go sit in a corner and think about what you've done.

Ah i see, so your one of the users who prefer to be condescending rather than build a stable argument ^^ 

I never said the Vita itself was a massive upgrade or risk, i said compared to the 3DS it was. I've said that a few times now but you still seem to be incapable of understanding the concept of a subjective statement. 

I fail to see how the 3DS is "weird" at all. The DS sold 150 million units, and the 3DS is essentially the same. That's hardly a risk, that's building something for an audience you already know is there. A risk is when you do something to capture a new market or bring to the table a brand new concept, which the 3DS does not (the Wii is a good example of something that did both). As i said, your inability to name me a single "risky" feature of the 3DS backs up my argument more than anything i myself could say.

As the saying goes, an argument is not won when a point is proven, but when the opponent resorts to personal attacks rather than debate :) I shall leave you too it now, seeing as you have resorted to the latter.

No you dont get to circle jerk like that. You came in with a ludicrous argument about how the vita "wasnt playing it safe" and you have nothing to back that up. By your "own standards" the 3DS isnt playing it safe either because they Vita and the 3DS are in the same ball park when it comes to improving on their predecessors. What you're doing is extremely ignorant.



dharh on 05 November 2013
Dr.EisDrachenJaeger said:
Zekkyou said:
Dr.EisDrachenJaeger said:
You're missing the point, you trying to argue the Vita was any sort of "risk or massive upgrade, when it was just a response to changing with the times" is absolute ridiculous. Its garbage. Its a fallacious proposal.

Like I said they 3DS is one weird little console. Thats about as risky as any of this shit gets.

You're trying to make something out of nothing and its pitiful.

Go sit in a corner and think about what you've done.

Ah i see, so your one of the users who prefer to be condescending rather than build a stable argument ^^ 

I never said the Vita itself was a massive upgrade or risk, i said compared to the 3DS it was. I've said that a few times now but you still seem to be incapable of understanding the concept of a subjective statement. 

I fail to see how the 3DS is "weird" at all. The DS sold 150 million units, and the 3DS is essentially the same. That's hardly a risk, that's building something for an audience you already know is there. A risk is when you do something to capture a new market or bring to the table a brand new concept, which the 3DS does not (the Wii is a good example of something that did both). As i said, your inability to name me a single "risky" feature of the 3DS backs up my argument more than anything i myself could say.

As the saying goes, an argument is not won when a point is proven, but when the opponent resorts to personal attacks rather than debate :) I shall leave you too it now, seeing as you have resorted to the latter.

No you dont get to circle jerk like that. You came in with a ludicrous argument about how the vita "wasnt playing it safe" and you have nothing to back that up. By your "own standards" the 3DS isnt playing it safe either because they Vita and the 3DS are in the same ball park when it comes to improving on their predecessors. What you're doing is extremely ignorant.


How about you two stop talking past eachother. Neither handheld was all that innovative and risky. The 3DS had _one_ real new addition, the 3D. If you want to call that innovative, whatever. The PSV had _one_ real new addition, the touch controls. If you want to call that innovative, whatever. The fact that the PSV has a screen that trumps everything else doesn't really matter. The fact that the 3DS has X number of cameras doesn't really matter. The fact that both handhelds had axis motion control, irrelevant.

IMO both consoles were a 'safe' bet. Both the 3DS and the PSV came out _too_ expensive and that shows plainly when you consider how they started off. The difference is that the 3DS was cheaper to build to start with, Nintendo was willing to bite the bullet with a price cut taking the hit in profit to set it rolling and SONY is not.



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MDMAlliance on 05 November 2013
Zekkyou said:
MDMAlliance said:
Zekkyou said:

I was comparing the most recent PSP to the first Vita and most recent DS to the 3DS, as that was the actual generation jump (which seems fair, does it not?).

DSi -> 3DS

Things added - 1 Analog stick, 3D function, improved graphics.

PSP3000 -> PS Vita

Things added - 1 extra Analog stick, A "true" touch screen, improved graphics (along with a high screen resolution), 2 cameras, rear touch panel. 

Why are those differences weak? We arn't debating which is better, mearly which changed/added more. If i'm not mistaked 5 > 3? :P

You are being unfair, because the DSi still didn't have as many cameras as the 3DS.  The 3DS has 3 cameras. 

And saying how many changes determines the battle on which had "bigger" change doesn't make sense.  

edit: Also, the 3DS has a pedometer, so technically that makes it 5 vs 5 (though I can find more differences for both, but the 3DS will still end up on top in terms of number of differences, really).

Still a smaller change than adding 2 :P Plus i forgot the Vita also added a six-axis type thing (which works a surprising amount better than that shit with the PS3).


You see what you're doing?  You're moving the goalposts.  Not only that, but if you're going to add in that the vita has a six-axis gyro, then you should add that the 3DS added a four-axis gyro.  Most things you can add about the Vita, you can add a similar thing to the 3DS in differences to its predecessor.  

So you are wrong, the difference between the PSP and Vita vs the DS and 3DS are not all that much, and how BIG the differences are... they are relative, so it actually would favor the DS to 3DS.



Zekkyou on 05 November 2013
MDMAlliance said:
Zekkyou said:

Still a smaller change than adding 2 :P Plus i forgot the Vita also added a six-axis type thing (which works a surprising amount better than that shit with the PS3).


You see what you're doing?  You're moving the goalposts.  Not only that, but if you're going to add in that the vita has a six-axis gyro, then you should add that the 3DS added a four-axis gyro.  Most things you can add about the Vita, you can add a similar thing to the 3DS in differences to its predecessor.  

So you are wrong, the difference between the PSP and Vita vs the DS and 3DS are not all that much, and how BIG the differences are... they are relative, so it actually would favor the DS to 3DS.

I'm thoroughly bored of this discussion, so we shall just have to agree to disagree. I love the 3DS, i own one and don't own a Vita as i believe the 3DS is superior, but i also think the 3DS is one of the most blatant safe moves Nintendo has every made. The fact remains the number of major changes made between the DS and 3DS compared to the PSP and Vita is different, and in favor of the Vita.

Anyway as i said, we shall have to agree to disagree.



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Zekkyou on 05 November 2013
Dr.EisDrachenJaeger said:
Zekkyou said:

Ah i see, so your one of the users who prefer to be condescending rather than build a stable argument ^^ 

I never said the Vita itself was a massive upgrade or risk, i said compared to the 3DS it was. I've said that a few times now but you still seem to be incapable of understanding the concept of a subjective statement. 

I fail to see how the 3DS is "weird" at all. The DS sold 150 million units, and the 3DS is essentially the same. That's hardly a risk, that's building something for an audience you already know is there. A risk is when you do something to capture a new market or bring to the table a brand new concept, which the 3DS does not (the Wii is a good example of something that did both). As i said, your inability to name me a single "risky" feature of the 3DS backs up my argument more than anything i myself could say.

As the saying goes, an argument is not won when a point is proven, but when the opponent resorts to personal attacks rather than debate :) I shall leave you too it now, seeing as you have resorted to the latter.

No you dont get to circle jerk like that. You came in with a ludicrous argument about how the vita "wasnt playing it safe" and you have nothing to back that up. By your "own standards" the 3DS isnt playing it safe either because they Vita and the 3DS are in the same ball park when it comes to improving on their predecessors. What you're doing is extremely ignorant.





fmjasinski on 05 November 2013
EricFabian said:
Zekkyou said:
The Vita is never going to beat the 3DS, that would take some voodoo shit. All anyone can hope is that it does well enough for Sony to justify making another handheld one day.

To be honest i think they were pretty "doomed" from the start :P Nintendo played it very safe with the 3DS, which was a wise choice this time round.


doesn't need voodoo. Nintendo only need to stop to sell 3DS



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MikeRox on 05 November 2013
fmjasinski said:

Do you really think that PS Vita will be selling until 2113? Just kidding!

Given that they're currently seemingly lacking in direction with Vita and have created a fantastic product with no idea what to do with it. I guess their back up plan is simply that Vita is technically about a generation ahead of the 3DS and so there should in theory be much more longevity in the hardware whilst they try and work out what they want to do.



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fmjasinski on 05 November 2013
MikeRox said:
fmjasinski said:

Do you really think that PS Vita will be selling until 2113? Just kidding!

Given that they're currently seemingly lacking in direction with Vita and have created a fantastic product with no idea what to do with it. I guess their back up plan is simply that Vita is technically about a generation ahead of the 3DS and so there should in theory be much more longevity in the hardware whilst they try and work out what they want to do.

Vita can last more time, but I do not know how to look at the future of the portable market. If the product does not appeal to the people, the more horse power will dilute soon because tablets and smart phones are hurting the portable market and dividing public attention. 3DS is selling because it is, possible, the best portable of all time, but it`s sales are far for being great.



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BlowoverKing on 05 November 2013
KHlover said:
MikeRox said:

Vita is fine, people can upgrade to it when they're fed up of the 3DS and enjoy a generational leap in handheld gaming as soon as they're ready for it :p

You never know, it might even have some games by then :D

All this potential and yet the best game for the system is a port of a PS2 game :/

It will - but only via PS4 Remote Play. With the announcement of the PS4 Vita went from a $250 to a $650 console. :(


Well now that's not very fair since Persona 4 was already one of the best games ever so of course an upgraded version of it is going to be considered not only the best game on it's native system but the best game on any system. But I do agree about there being so much potential yet only a few games really show what the Vita can really do.



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