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existenz2 on 02 November 2013

admission of the core problem is the first step on the road to recovery

 

You have failed big time.



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STRYKIE on 02 November 2013
JazzB1987 said:
KingdomHeartsFan said:

I wonder if they'll give up this need to revolutionalize next gen and just make a regular console because they are tramatized by the Wii U, considering it doesn't really pick up speed.  


hopefully not we dont need more shit out there thats the same......      So far Nintendo always had some nice innovative stuff going on and most actually all of it made gaming better.

-Dpad  start and select
-Shoulder buttons   4 action buttons (standard today)
-analog and rumble (standard today)
-wireless controller (nintendo made it popular   also standard today)
-Motion controls (third parties ignored it so not standard but alternative today)
-touch screen for games (actually introduced with the DS but on a home console Wiiu was first and PS4 amd X1 already adopted it (touch pad controller/smartglass)

Nintendo is making a mistake because Nintendo is hunting for gamers that dont exist.  Mainstreamers are no gamers and by going for them Nintendo changed way to much and is offering DLC and NSMB bullshit etc. They are killing their own philosophy and that  (and the stupid WiiU name) is killing the WiiU.

Metroid Prime 3  streamlied.... (no real world)
Mario Galaxy 2   streamlined.... (no hub world anymore stupid  "lines" you move on)
Skyward Sword streamlined....   (no connected world just like MP3)


TBH mainstreamers are at fault    almost NO dev is left that is making games for gamers. (just Japan and indies)
Its always stupid idiots called shareholders dictating that mediocre games should be made because   VISUALS = mainstream and mainstream is where the $$$$ is at. 

And most third parties games are western games.... so mainstream.  Remember back in the day games always sold? With todays AAA mainstream titles the industry changed so much  its eather 3 month success or fail  because the games drop in price and the nexr one is already on its way.  Its way to much of the smae out there.


Man I cant wait for the industry to crash again.

These were all bound to become standard anyway, the N64 controller/Sega Saturn 3D controller were released with around 2 weeks of each other, same with the N64 rumble pak/Sony's Dual Analog controller (the Japanese controller had rumble), and I don't think I need to explain how many systems have had wirelesd controllers beforehand.

 

Just throwing that out there.



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ChrolloLucilfer on 02 November 2013

I always remember waiting in anticipation for Nintendo to announce their successor to the Wii back at E3 2011. I was really hoping to see the next step in the evolution of the current Wii design but instead I ended up very disappointed see their step in a different direction. While the Wii never fulfilled the initial massive future expectations placed upon of it. It still had so much potential and promise that a future console could have easily improved on the initial flaws on the first Wii design.

While I am still very disappointed by the Wii U, but it's certainty the only Generation 8 console that I will definitely be buying in the future. I am still in no real rush to buy one for a while though.



DélioPT on 02 November 2013
EdHieron said:
DélioPT said:
Unfortunately, it`s true.

The holidays will be good to Nintendo, but they need something to really push the console into the mass market: change the look of the console, the logo, boxarts, etc.
They could really do what Sony did in 2009.


In 2009 Sony really began to show what the most powerful last Gen console could do.  Nintendo doesn't have that luxury.


What Sony did at that time was change it`s image alongside a redesign.
You don`t have to be the biggest and the best to achieve those results.



johnlucas on 02 November 2013
joora said:
Do a redesign, Name it somewhat differently and shower it with games. Even today, seeing the releases for end of 2013/Q1 2014 it is difficult to dismiss the console.

And stop naming games with the suffix "U". Consumers can't even decode that the Wii U is a different console. It would be better to call them something like "WiiFit 2 HD" or something (WiiFit 2 ULTRA)


The name Wii U is fine.

Nothing needs to change but time.
The turnaround is already in progress but once the debuts of the PlayStation 4 & XBox One arrive, THAT is when you will see Wii U shine.

2014 will blow people's minds on how Nintendo won over the public with Wii U.
Wii U will run the 8th generation & finish what Wii started.

The branding is fine.
The name falls right in line with the 2nd half of The Revolution.
John Lucas



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WE ARE THE NATION...OF DOMINATION!

 

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S.T.A.G.E. on 02 November 2013
phenom08 said:
The drought killed the WiiU not the game pad. Its sad seeing internet posters act like they know more than the Wiis creators.


The lack of momentum from Nintendo being able to hold onto the casual market is whats going to cause the market to shrink this gen. Nintendo aimed for the hardcore and singleplayer experience with the Wii U. This is not a successor to the Wii if it does not use the Wiimote as a primary.



joora on 02 November 2013
johnlucas said:
joora said:
Do a redesign, Name it somewhat differently and shower it with games. Even today, seeing the releases for end of 2013/Q1 2014 it is difficult to dismiss the console.

And stop naming games with the suffix "U". Consumers can't even decode that the Wii U is a different console. It would be better to call them something like "WiiFit 2 HD" or something (WiiFit 2 ULTRA)


The name Wii U is fine.

Nothing needs to change but time.
The turnaround is already in progress but once the debuts of the PlayStation 4 & XBox One arrive, THAT is when you will see Wii U shine.

2014 will blow people's minds on how Nintendo won over the public with Wii U.
Wii U will run the 8th generation & finish what Wii started.

The branding is fine.
The name falls right in line with the 2nd half of The Revolution.
John Lucas


Then why was the name (and the whole branding strategy) being called out as a factor of confusion:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/benzingainsights/2011/06/08/did-nintendo-just-screw-up-the-launch-of-wii-u/

http://www.gamepolitics.com/2013/10/15/analyst-wii-u-still-suffering-consumers-confusion#.UnUcE_msiG4

Infact, the opinion of the console makers CEO is the same:

http://www.polygon.com/2013/4/25/4264750/iwata-thinks-some-didnt-buy-wii-u-because-they-thought-it-was-a-wii

And the company's branches also think the same:

http://nintendoeverything.com/nintendo-france-lowering-wii-u-price-wont-be-effective-without-games-avoiding-confusion-with-wii-and-wii-mini-more/

 

 

Due to it's popularity within the mainstream market, there were boatloads of Wii console clones and accessories, using similar names

http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/keepin-it-real-fake-part-xcii-accessories-for-the-nintendo-wu/

 



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johnlucas on 03 November 2013
joora said:
johnlucas said:
joora said:
Do a redesign, Name it somewhat differently and shower it with games. Even today, seeing the releases for end of 2013/Q1 2014 it is difficult to dismiss the console.

And stop naming games with the suffix "U". Consumers can't even decode that the Wii U is a different console. It would be better to call them something like "WiiFit 2 HD" or something (WiiFit 2 ULTRA)


The name Wii U is fine.

Nothing needs to change but time.
The turnaround is already in progress but once the debuts of the PlayStation 4 & XBox One arrive, THAT is when you will see Wii U shine.

2014 will blow people's minds on how Nintendo won over the public with Wii U.
Wii U will run the 8th generation & finish what Wii started.

The branding is fine.
The name falls right in line with the 2nd half of The Revolution.
John Lucas


Then why was the name (and the whole branding strategy) being called out as a factor of confusion:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/benzingainsights/2011/06/08/did-nintendo-just-screw-up-the-launch-of-wii-u/

http://www.gamepolitics.com/2013/10/15/analyst-wii-u-still-suffering-consumers-confusion#.UnUcE_msiG4

Infact, the opinion of the console makers CEO is the same:

http://www.polygon.com/2013/4/25/4264750/iwata-thinks-some-didnt-buy-wii-u-because-they-thought-it-was-a-wii

And the company's branches also think the same:

http://nintendoeverything.com/nintendo-france-lowering-wii-u-price-wont-be-effective-without-games-avoiding-confusion-with-wii-and-wii-mini-more/

 

 

Due to it's popularity within the mainstream market, there were boatloads of Wii console clones and accessories, using similar names

http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/22/keepin-it-real-fake-part-xcii-accessories-for-the-nintendo-wu/

 


Think about what you're saying.

Did people confuse the PlayStation 2 with the PlayStation?
Did they confuse the PlayStation 3 with the PlayStation 2?
Will they confuse the PlayStation 4 with the PlayStation 3?

Did they confuse the XBox 360 with the XBox?
Will they confuse the XBox One with the XBox 360?

Did they confuse the Super Nintendo Entertainment System with the Nintendo Entertainment System?

There's nothing wrong with the branding.

Nintendo is paying a cost for the abrupt closing of the Wii platform. That's all.
They killed a popular console in its prime & there's a backlash effect going on because of it.
I was once a part of that backlash so I should know.
But they have just about finished paying that price & the console is coming into its own.

Too many Chicken Littles out here with the doom & gloom.
Nintendo didn't come here to fail. They're frank about Wii U's slow start but that doesn't make it a NON-start.
Wii U will have the turnaround EXACTLY like 3DS did & next year all of this Chicken Little doom & gloom will seem silly.

Wii U IS a Wii...with more.

Maybe some DO mistake it for a Wii.
That will work in Nintendo's favor since Wiis are almost off the shelves now.
When they look for Wiis & they find Wii U which does everything Wii does & some more., they buy Wii U's.

I'll say to even the Nintendo personnel not to fret on that point too much. It's actually a good thing.
Wii U will turn around. It's turning around now.
And it will turn around even more once the PS4 & XOne show up.

Just calm the panic.
Read my thread about Nintendo's coming domination of the industry to get some perspective.
UNITY - Nintendo & Wii U Finish The REVOLUTION

John Lucas



Words from the Official VGChartz Idiot

WE ARE THE NATION...OF DOMINATION!

 

Too_Talls on 03 November 2013

My opinion, the had a massive lead in the current gen, they should not have rushed out a new console that is barley more powerful than the 360 at the time they did. they should of had a new system coming this month along with ps4 and x1 comparable to their power. That would have made this upcoming gen that much more entertaining. It's kind of sad to see nintendo do poorly, most of us started from a nintendo console.



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phenom08 on 03 November 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
phenom08 said:
The drought killed the WiiU not the game pad. Its sad seeing internet posters act like they know more than the Wiis creators.


The lack of momentum from Nintendo being able to hold onto the casual market is whats going to cause the market to shrink this gen. Nintendo aimed for the hardcore and singleplayer experience with the Wii U. This is not a successor to the Wii if it does not use the Wiimote as a primary.


Lol if it wasnt for Ninty this past gen the industry would have shrunk already. PS3 and 360 still have yet to pass PS2 and Xbox. So thanks Ninty for your market expanding Wii this gen. Since Ninty expanded the market this gen it should be up to them to pick up the slack for next gen but even you know that isnt going to happen.