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Dunban67 on 28 October 2013

You can place blame in whichever direction you want- but the Wii U is a Nintendo Console and therefore Nintendo is responsible for making it a viable platform for gamers and games- they have not done so and that point is difficult to refute based on the # of units sold and the very low rate of software sold. Only Nintendo Land (the main pak in game) and Mario U (the only big name game for the 1st 9 months of the consoles life) have sold good numbers- no other game has broken 600k retail as of the most recent sales data released

It is obvious that both Microsoft and Sony don t sit back and wait for their box to get support- they go out and get it- they do what it takes to get developer and gamer support and they make a box that most developers are not restricted in developing for-

The lack of support for the Wii U all around is solely Nintendo s responsibility- If so many Nintendo fans did not let Nintendo take them for granted then Nintendo would more likely get the message faster-

We only have Nintendo gaming products in our house (Wii, Wii U and 3DS) I want them to succeed, I want them to remain independent, I don t want them to go 3rd party only and def don t want to see Nintendo games on the I-pad (at least in the current environment of app games) So I support Nintendo s overall vision- but I don t support them taking their customers for granted, misleading their customers, not defending the Wi U in the market place and giving less than their best effort re the Wii u

Next year it looks like we will get some of Nintendo s big games released- but I wonder just how many games Nintendo will release in 2014 and when in 2014 they will be released- This holiday is the peak of 3rd party support and it will drop like a rock after I think Nintendo will truly have to carry the Wii U in 2014 far more than 2013 because at this point I think we will have even less 3rd party support than we have to date-



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oniyide on 28 October 2013
Zero999 said:
oniyide said:
Rogerioandrade said:
It´s just about business. The install base is small, they don´t believe they can make money selling their big-budget titles on WiiU, then they just produce "crap versions" of them for it. It´s the same problem with Vita. Didn´t you ever wonder why Capcom don´t even consider launching Monster Hunter 4 for Vita, or why Rayman Legends is considerably shorter ? The same goes for WiiU, 3rd-parties don´t want to spend a little extra money working on WiiU versions

And this is a shame, because there are a few games that actually sold better on WiiU than on other platforms, like Rayman Legends, Sonic All-Stars racing Transformed, probably Just Dance 4 too (after holidays). So there´s an audience on its console, but 3rd-parties are just ignoring this audience.

Now it´s easy to blame Nintendo for everything, but gamers never, unfortunately, NEVER understand that most decisions are taken from a business perspective and always justify their opinions based on bias.

outside of Rayman Legends NO multiplat game sold better on Wii U not even close. Just Dance 4? didnt even beat the PS3 version

No new system is forced to have better sales for multiplats against 7/8 year old consoles.

thats true, but that wasnt my point. my point was he made a factual wrong statement



TripleMMM on 28 October 2013
oniyide said:
TripleMMM said:

About the begging part, maybe I should've been more spesific that it's an HD re-release and the WiiU version is being singled out and to top it off being told that we need to do a port beg...

My apoligies, my mistake about which sold most (the PS2 ver.)... But then it still stands, judging by the how many it sold, I would understand if it's been a PS4 exclusive. And yet it will also be for the XBOX ONE even though it sold the least (not by much, but still) on the XBOX.

 

Now if Namco said that Nintendo is the one at fault for being hand-picky about their characters, I would've brand my Master Sword towards Nintendo instead(regardless if that statement is true or not).


oh ok, had no idea you were talking about an HD re-release, hell i didnt even know there was one. Yeah thats ridiculous, maybe Namco doesnt think there are enought WIi Us out there but even if that was the case dont ask peopel to beg.

Yeah this one is on Namco, maybe they didnt like the sales of Tekken on 3ds or Wii U, but thats still no excuse

Bloody hell, I'm shocked (no joke, I almost spat my drink) to find out that you didn't even know about the HD re-release! I potrayed you to be a more informative fellow (even moreso compared than me). Forgive me to shoot you with such rude awakening. 



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oniyide on 28 October 2013
TripleMMM said:
oniyide said:
TripleMMM said:

About the begging part, maybe I should've been more spesific that it's an HD re-release and the WiiU version is being singled out and to top it off being told that we need to do a port beg...

My apoligies, my mistake about which sold most (the PS2 ver.)... But then it still stands, judging by the how many it sold, I would understand if it's been a PS4 exclusive. And yet it will also be for the XBOX ONE even though it sold the least (not by much, but still) on the XBOX.

 

Now if Namco said that Nintendo is the one at fault for being hand-picky about their characters, I would've brand my Master Sword towards Nintendo instead(regardless if that statement is true or not).


oh ok, had no idea you were talking about an HD re-release, hell i didnt even know there was one. Yeah thats ridiculous, maybe Namco doesnt think there are enought WIi Us out there but even if that was the case dont ask peopel to beg.

Yeah this one is on Namco, maybe they didnt like the sales of Tekken on 3ds or Wii U, but thats still no excuse

Bloody hell, I'm shocked (no joke, I almost spat my drink) to find out that you didn't even know about the HD re-release! I potrayed you to be a more informative fellow (even moreso compared than me). Forgive me to shoot you with such rude awakening. 


i remember them saying something about Soul Calibur 1 but that was on IOS, TBH i kind of stopped following anything that company has been doing. THe last thing that interested me was Tekken Tag 2



orniletter on 28 October 2013
pokoko said:
I'm not really sure why this is so often presented as something that only happens to Nintendo when it has happened elsewhere, as well.

Regardless, let's take Deus Ex. Let's assume that everyone who owns a Wii U who also owns a PS3/360 decides to buy the game on the latter because of the price tag. What has Square Enix lost? A few of those who don't have a PS3/360 will buy it at $50, while a few more will wait until the price is reduced. Again, what has the publisher lost?

If you don't like the price, then wait. It's what everyone else does when a game is released.


So, by the extension of your logic: Every single third party publisher should abandon the Vita and put the games on the 3DS because it is likely that the poeple who don´t own a 3DS (but do own a Vita) are a small minority ?

Or is that a different case because hurr durr Sony ?



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S.T.A.G.E. on 28 October 2013

Essentially it was Nintendo's fault and it still is. I used to believe third parties were picking on them and singling them out for no reason until I actually looked up the history of Nintendo. Even when they had the third parties if you look up their history, they still had iron fist tactics because of lack of competition from Sega. The problem is that a lot of third party devs have grown resentful of Nintendo's closed off "my way or the highway" tactic in doing business. In a way they are becoming every bit as bad as Nintendo ALWAYS was when it comes to partnerships. If the money is there they will not desert Nintendo. Look at the 3DS, it has plenty of games. Look at the Vita, it has very few. Do you hear Sony owners bitching? No. They know it's all Sony's fault.



Mr Khan on 28 October 2013
orniletter said:
pokoko said:
I'm not really sure why this is so often presented as something that only happens to Nintendo when it has happened elsewhere, as well.

Regardless, let's take Deus Ex. Let's assume that everyone who owns a Wii U who also owns a PS3/360 decides to buy the game on the latter because of the price tag. What has Square Enix lost? A few of those who don't have a PS3/360 will buy it at $50, while a few more will wait until the price is reduced. Again, what has the publisher lost?

If you don't like the price, then wait. It's what everyone else does when a game is released.


So, by the extension of your logic: Every single third party publisher should abandon the Vita and put the games on the 3DS because it is likely that the poeple who don´t own a 3DS (but do own a Vita) are a small minority ?

Or is that a different case because hurr durr Sony ?

That last comment was unnecessary. Watch it.



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pokoko on 28 October 2013
orniletter said:
pokoko said:
I'm not really sure why this is so often presented as something that only happens to Nintendo when it has happened elsewhere, as well.

Regardless, let's take Deus Ex. Let's assume that everyone who owns a Wii U who also owns a PS3/360 decides to buy the game on the latter because of the price tag. What has Square Enix lost? A few of those who don't have a PS3/360 will buy it at $50, while a few more will wait until the price is reduced. Again, what has the publisher lost?

If you don't like the price, then wait. It's what everyone else does when a game is released.


So, by the extension of your logic: Every single third party publisher should abandon the Vita and put the games on the 3DS because it is likely that the poeple who don´t own a 3DS (but do own a Vita) are a small minority ?

Or is that a different case because hurr durr Sony ?

What on earth are you talking about?  For it to be an extension of my logic, it would have to have some relation to what I actually said.  Where did I say anything at all about abandoning the Wii U?  The topic is late ports costing more than the versions on other systems.  Some people were acting as if this somehow hurts the publisher; all I did was say that it probably doesn't hurt them at all.  I didn't even say I liked it.

So, yeah, what are you talking about?



orniletter on 28 October 2013
pokoko said:
orniletter said:
pokoko said:
I'm not really sure why this is so often presented as something that only happens to Nintendo when it has happened elsewhere, as well.

Regardless, let's take Deus Ex. Let's assume that everyone who owns a Wii U who also owns a PS3/360 decides to buy the game on the latter because of the price tag. What has Square Enix lost? A few of those who don't have a PS3/360 will buy it at $50, while a few more will wait until the price is reduced. Again, what has the publisher lost?

If you don't like the price, then wait. It's what everyone else does when a game is released.


So, by the extension of your logic: Every single third party publisher should abandon the Vita and put the games on the 3DS because it is likely that the poeple who don´t own a 3DS (but do own a Vita) are a small minority ?

Or is that a different case because hurr durr Sony ?

What on earth are you talking about?  For it to be an extension of my logic, it would have to have some relation to what I actually said.  Where did I say anything at all about abandoning the Wii U?  The topic is late ports costing more than the versions on other systems.  Some people were acting as if this somehow hurts the publisher; all I did was say that it probably doesn't hurt them at all.  I didn't even say I liked it.

So, yeah, what are you talking about?

 excuse my sharp tone.

My bad !



pokoko on 28 October 2013
orniletter said:
pokoko said:

What on earth are you talking about?  For it to be an extension of my logic, it would have to have some relation to what I actually said.  Where did I say anything at all about abandoning the Wii U?  The topic is late ports costing more than the versions on other systems.  Some people were acting as if this somehow hurts the publisher; all I did was say that it probably doesn't hurt them at all.  I didn't even say I liked it.

So, yeah, what are you talking about?

 excuse my sharp tone.

My bad !

No problem.  I'm not going to hold a misunderstanding against someone.  I understand what you're talking about, it just wasn't something I was addressing there.