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kowenicki said:

So you define competing by the number of titles released in a given year?  Thats  a rather narrow and simplistic definition isnt it?   I'm sure Sony see MS as competition even if you dont due to some misplaced brand loyalty (worship)

MS has 2 main divisions with 5 sub divisions within them, so 5.... and hundreds of product lines.  None of their divisions is for one product line.  They musnt care about any of them by your logic, none of them get their own division.

Tell you what.  Get out of this thread and go and make a thread about Sony, perhaps you kow more about their business, but I seriously doubt it.  For instance you did know Sony moved gaming into another division with other devices at one point in the last few years... i guess they didnt care about gaming at that time huh?

 

How else would you define how well a console manufacturer is competing? Say what you want, MS isn't funding its gaming division well enough. Afterall, they only managed to release GoW:J for the 360 this year.



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dahuman said:
Wait, some people actually thought MS was in trouble? wtf lol?


I think most people look at consumer devices like surface, windows, laptops and windows phone and automatically judge based on that. But thats not even half of the picture. Which a lot of people dont seem to know lol.



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Yeah it always makes me laugh... They are so doomed that windows vista is still more used than the last version of OS X... And win 8 is already more used than all OSX version combined are used today... This is how doomed MS is on the PC OS market... And even with phones... They are late to the party... But they are going up fast on some major markets... And I'm pretty sure the tablet PC market is ready to reach critical mass within a year or 2 and destroy the shit tablet market on ARM... They'll become what feature phones are to smartphones....



HikenNoAce said:
kowenicki said:

So you define competing by the number of titles released in a given year?  Thats  a rather narrow and simplistic definition isnt it?   I'm sure Sony see MS as competition even if you dont due to some misplaced brand loyalty (worship)

MS has 2 main divisions with 5 sub divisions within them, so 5.... and hundreds of product lines.  None of their divisions is for one product line.  They musnt care about any of them by your logic, none of them get their own division.

Tell you what.  Get out of this thread and go and make a thread about Sony, perhaps you kow more about their business, but I seriously doubt it.  For instance you did know Sony moved gaming into another division with other devices at one point in the last few years... i guess they didnt care about gaming at that time huh?

 

How else would you define how well a console manufacturer is competing? Say what you want, MS isn't funding its gaming division well enough. Afterall, they only managed to release GoW:J for the 360 this year.

Maybe by doing it the same way every anlayst does since the beginning of the stock market: Looking at the financial numbers.
And Sony would die for a console as profitable as the 360 for almost every year in the last 5+ years.



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dahuman said:
Wait, some people actually thought MS was in trouble? wtf lol?


I think the general would be "Business" people think Microsoft will be irrelevant, because they can not "follow" trends. 



 

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HikenNoAce said:
kowenicki said:

So you define competing by the number of titles released in a given year?  Thats  a rather narrow and simplistic definition isnt it?   I'm sure Sony see MS as competition even if you dont due to some misplaced brand loyalty (worship)

MS has 2 main divisions with 5 sub divisions within them, so 5.... and hundreds of product lines.  None of their divisions is for one product line.  They musnt care about any of them by your logic, none of them get their own division.

Tell you what.  Get out of this thread and go and make a thread about Sony, perhaps you kow more about their business, but I seriously doubt it.  For instance you did know Sony moved gaming into another division with other devices at one point in the last few years... i guess they didnt care about gaming at that time huh?

 

How else would you define how well a console manufacturer is competing? Say what you want, MS isn't funding its gaming division well enough. Afterall, they only managed to release GoW:J for the 360 this year.

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MS is as healthy as ever. Actually they have more money, bigger headcount, more revenue than they ever had. And this is in a time, when people keep repeating the "MS is doomed" phrase.

When MS keeps on buying companies like in the past years:

2011: Skype for 8.5 billion USD
2012: Yammer for 1.2 billion USD
2013: Nokia for 7.2 billion USD

you clearly see how EASY Microsoft could win this minor console war thing. Let them invest just 50% of the money they spent on Skype for the Xbox brand and it is game over for Playstation and Nintendo.

Just for comparison, here are some videogame companies and their market cap:

Capcom: 1.3 billion USD
Konami: 3.5 billion USD
Square Enix: 1.8 billion USD
TakeTwo: 1.6 billion USD
KOEI Tecmo: 1 billion USD
Activision Blizzard: 8.7 billion USD



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DirtyP2002 said:

MS is as healthy as ever. Actually they have more money, bigger headcount, more revenue than they ever had. And this is in a time, when people keep repeating the "MS is doomed" phrase.

When MS keeps on buying companies like in the past years:

2011: Skype for 8.5 billion USD
2012: Yammer for 1.2 billion USD
2013: Nokia for 7.2 billion USD

you clearly see how EASY Microsoft could win this minor console war thing. Let them invest just 50% of the money they spent on Skype for the Xbox brand and it is game over for Playstation and Nintendo.

Just for comparison, here are some videogame companies and their market cap:

Capcom: 1.3 billion USD
Konami: 3.5 billion USD
Square Enix: 1.8 billion USD
TakeTwo: 1.6 billion USD
KOEI Tecmo: 1 billion USD
Activision Blizzard: 8.7 billion USD

Indeed, it'd be interesting to see what MS would do if they started losing serious ground to playstation again.

EDD made $1b~ last year, if they managed to get TT for 1.6b then it'd more than be worth it.



 

Seece said:
DirtyP2002 said:

MS is as healthy as ever. Actually they have more money, bigger headcount, more revenue than they ever had. And this is in a time, when people keep repeating the "MS is doomed" phrase.

When MS keeps on buying companies like in the past years:

2011: Skype for 8.5 billion USD
2012: Yammer for 1.2 billion USD
2013: Nokia for 7.2 billion USD

you clearly see how EASY Microsoft could win this minor console war thing. Let them invest just 50% of the money they spent on Skype for the Xbox brand and it is game over for Playstation and Nintendo.

Just for comparison, here are some videogame companies and their market cap:

Capcom: 1.3 billion USD
Konami: 3.5 billion USD
Square Enix: 1.8 billion USD
TakeTwo: 1.6 billion USD
KOEI Tecmo: 1 billion USD
Activision Blizzard: 8.7 billion USD

Indeed, it'd be interesting to see what MS would do if they started losing serious ground to playstation again.

EDD made $1b~ last year, if they managed to get TT for 1.6b then it'd more than be worth it.


let them invest 3.5 billion USD and buy Capcom + Take Two.

Resident Evil, GTA, Red Dead Redemption, Devil May Cry, Street Fighter, Bioshock... soooo many IPs.



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Shinobi-san said:
JayWood2010 said:

That is not what derailment is. Do you see Sony in the article?

Yet here we are discussing Sony and a range of other sub related topics. If someone replies to my post in an unreasonable manner then that persons posting history is relevant to our discussion. If you feel strongly about it being off topic then report me and lets see where that goes.

Everything i said is factual, logical and backed up. What part of what i said isnt? Point it out.

Jay what you are saying is different from what Selnor said. Please realise here that you jumped onto a a post i made to Selnor not to you. This is why i pointed out that you mixing up arguments. I am not trying to attack you. Selnor was very clear in his post. I use quotation marks for a reason. "Maybe they should have priced PS4 with The One." Price the PS4 at $500. That is what "with" means in that context. He didnt say close to it...he didnt say at break even for Sony he didnt say at profit for Sony. He said with the One. That is the statement i said didnt make sense.

Discussion about the eye is really pointless unless we know what the hell it costs. We dont know what it costs. So how do you $500 is at a profit? Then you back where you started.

And why on earth are bolding " PS4 IS BEING SOLD AT A LOSS." not once have I questioned that in this thread.

So this conversation had something to do with something that happened months ago? ok then


And no, you said it would make no sense for the PS4 to be $500 if they raised it when he said it would.  PS4 is already $450.  Would it be meaningless?  Depends on how you look at it.  If you want to gain market share and lose money then they are good at the price they are.  If they want to lose market share and gain money then raise the price.

Just so you know im not trying to argue with you either.  It is more of a discussion, so no reason to instantly get upset because someone is in a disagreement with you. If there something im missing then point it out. Maybe Im just misunderstanding you, but you will need to point ut how and by bringing up things from another thread certainly isnt the way to do so.

 I believe $500 would be a profit or close to it because sony said they are making a small loss.  I would expect less than a $50 loss on what they make it sound so that is why i think $50 would put them in the green.

However this whole conversation isnt really of much point now since it is all hypothetical in the first place.