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Forums - Sales Discussion - So is Beyond officially the flop of the year now?

LemonSlice on 23 October 2013
Anfebious said:
Geez everyone forgot about Fuse already? That one floped hard. So hard that no one remembers the game...


There was even a game which asked nicely to be remembered. What was that game again?



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Jumpin on 23 October 2013
attaboy said:
300k is a respectable number.

Actually 650K is a respectable numer. Sorry, but 300K is just sad - maybe it is large for Asia, but not when you consider the rest of the world.



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Anfebious on 23 October 2013
LemonSlice said:
Anfebious said:
Geez everyone forgot about Fuse already? That one floped hard. So hard that no one remembers the game...


There was even a game which asked nicely to be remembered. What was that game again?


I think it was from Capcom but I can't seem to recall the name of the game... xD



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Adinnieken on 23 October 2013
binary solo said:
Adinnieken said:
BuckStud said:
attaboy said:
300k is a respectable number.


300k for a supposed AAA game on a system with a 80m base is not good at all.  They're not even remotely close to breaking even at this point.

This.

As a percentage of the install base, Beyond did badly, where as Wonderful 101 didn't do so badly.  Rayman did horribly though.

As it is, Beyond got 1/3 of 1% market share. 

Wonderful 101 got 5% market share.

 

That's the wrong way to look at things. A game like Beyond is has niche appeal as it's not a mainstream style of game. The niche of gamers that are potential buyers of Beyond is probably about 3 million PS3 owners at best. So week 1 Beyond sold to about 10% of it's market potential. I don't know enough about W101 to be able to characterise how niche of a game it is, but I suspect it's not a style of game that direclty appeals to the Mario fans.

And one musty also consider that the most wildly popular games on PS3 (and 360) have sold to only about 15% of the install base. So 15% of the install base looks to be the upper limit of sales potential for PS3 games. In that context 300K week 1 is OK.

Also with a game like W101 it doesn't have a lot of competition for the attention of Wii U owners. Beyond has hundreds of games with at least a 5pt metacritic advantage over it to compete with, let alone the whole library of PS3 games. W101 on the other hand is the 27th best Wii U game by metascore on a system with a library of 75 games (that have metascores). A game like W101 *should* be selling to a higher % of Wii owners than it has. And I entirely blame Wii U owners forits flop status, because objectively W101 should be selling way way better than it is.

I don't think looking at what the percentage of the user base that a game pushes into is a bad way of looking at the sales of a game.  There may be a modifier in that a PS3 or Xbox 360 game doesn't need the same percentage of push into the user base that the Wii U does to be successful.  The Wii U may need a higher percentage and the Xbox 360 and PS3 may need a smaller percentage, but there's one problem. 

We don't know the costs.  The overall way of determining whether or not a game is a success is whether it's profitable.  If we knew the cost of investment to make the game, then the amount of profit the game made after all costs and expenses, then we'd be able to determine the exact costs.  Not all games cost the same.   





Otakumegane on 23 October 2013

How much did this cost again?

20 million?



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Otakumegane on 23 October 2013
CGI-Quality said:
Otakumegane said:
How much did this cost again?

20 million?

27 million.


Well in that case don't they need around 1 million sold to make profit?



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reggin_bolas on 23 October 2013

I don't think it's fair to compare games with low expectations and B2S. Fuse, Remember Me, Rayman, Splinter Cell are not hyped AAA system-sellers. All of these titles were multiplat releases that no one really cared about.

Beyond was hyped as an AAA system-exclusive game which had a robust marketing campaign. The only thing that comes close is the Wonderful 101 which was also system exclusive but not nearly as hyped as Beyond.

As such, I cast my vote on Beyond as flop of the year given the hype and marketing force behind it.



Farsala on 23 October 2013

Not even close. Games like Fuse and Lost planet 3 take that.



reggin_bolas on 23 October 2013
Farsala said:
Not even close. Games like Fuse and Lost planet 3 take that.


Why not? Fuse and LP3 didn't have big budgets or large marketing campaigns. No one is surprised that these titles sold so poorly whereas many people ARE surprised that B2S sold poorly.



Boutros on 23 October 2013
reggin_bolas said:
Farsala said:
Not even close. Games like Fuse and Lost planet 3 take that.


Why not? Fuse and LP3 didn't have big budgets or large marketing campaigns. No one is surprised that these titles sold so poorly whereas many people ARE surprised that B2S sold poorly.

Except Beyond didn't sell poorly..

Maybe based on your unreasonable expectations but in reality it sold well.

What were you expecting?