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AlphaCielago on 20 October 2013
Zero999 said:
AlphaCielago said:
Zero999 said:

correct, it doesn't change the fact that final fantasy has no main series.


You're the only one saying that. No one agrees with you. There is nothing you can say that states otherwise. They are numbered because  they started to make sequels, in other words FFII. III, IV and so on. They also never stopped in making the main series, unlike other spin-offs in the whole franchise. Like for example 4 heroes of light.

no one needs to agree with me for it to be true. in the end it's just a lose-lose situation for you because even if the numbered ff's were a main line, the so called "spin offs" have to be considered main line too.

Since when? Actually no they don't. Because they aren't main series. The numbered FF's are main because they started the whole series and started to get sequels in form of a numerical system. Why do you think that they are the most hyped by people  in the whole series. 



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Zero999 on 20 October 2013
AlphaCielago said:
Zero999 said:

no one needs to agree with me for it to be true. in the end it's just a lose-lose situation for you because even if the numbered ff's were a main line, the so called "spin offs" have to be considered main line too.

Since when? Actually no they don't. Because they aren't main series. The numbered FF's are main because they started the whole series and started to get sequels in form of a numerical system. Why do you think that they are the most hyped by people  in the whole series. 

numbers are just that, numbers. it's the contents of the game that define if it's a sequel or not. and the so called "spin offs" are no less final fantasy than the numbered ones.



Michael-5 on 20 October 2013
Zero999 said:
Michael-5 said:
Zero999 said:
Michael-5 said:
Yea FF: The 4 Heroes of Light is a spin off game, just look at Wikipedia.

It's still Final Fantasy, just not a main series game, and Bravely Default is a sequel for it.

there is no main series FF and thus, no spin off. just look at logic.

Final Fantasy I-XV are main series.

Zero999 said:

mystery dungeon doesn't follow the story or the gameplay of the main series and that makes it a spin off. final fantasy's numbered games doesn't follow the same story or gameplay mechanics = it doesn't have a main series. that means no final fantasy is a spin off.


This shows how hardcore of a Final Fantasy fan you are........ Every main series FF game is related. Heck FFX takes place on the same Planet in the same world as FFVII (and maybe IV and VI as well), FFIII takes place in the same world as FFVIII, Final Fantasy I takes place in the same world as FF IX, Kain in FFIV is the son of Richard from FFII, IV and VI take place during and after the War of the Magi, all FF games have some connection to Eidolons, and all FF games have a "Cid." 4 Heroes of light does not have a Cid, nor does it share any part of the game world with any other FF game

Also while the story arc differs per main series FF game, they are still the main series FF games. Otherwise The 4 Heroes of Light would have had a numbered entry. Heck even side-games like XIII-II have numbered entries.

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Think about it this way, while most Zelda games aren't directly related, they are all related on an over-arching story tree (with the Minish Cap as the first game, and Zelda II as the last). Final Fantasy is the same, while XIII might not be directly related to FFXII or FFXIV, it's related to FFX and FFVII, which take place after FFIV and FFVI, which take place on a different planet then FFI and FFIX, etc.

So FF: The Four Heroes of Light is a Spinoff, sorry, since it lacks various game mechanics related to all main series FF games, and since it doesn't take place in the same world as main series FF games.

some of them being connected is irrelevant. unless ALL of them are connected, it's just a bunch of separete stories = no main line.

They are all connected........That's my point, just like Zelda they for the most part aren't direct sequels.

Final Fantasy Tactics, Crystal Chronicles, 4 Heroes of Light, etc.....they don't take place in the same world as main series FF games. They are unrelated, not numbered, and thus spin-offs.



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AlphaCielago on 20 October 2013
Zero999 said:
AlphaCielago said:
Zero999 said:

no one needs to agree with me for it to be true. in the end it's just a lose-lose situation for you because even if the numbered ff's were a main line, the so called "spin offs" have to be considered main line too.

Since when? Actually no they don't. Because they aren't main series. The numbered FF's are main because they started the whole series and started to get sequels in form of a numerical system. Why do you think that they are the most hyped by people  in the whole series. 

numbers are just that, numbers. it's the contents of the game that define if it's a sequel or not. and the so called "spin offs" are no less final fantasy than the numbered ones.

Michael yet again countered what you said. The spin-offs doesn't have a connection to the numbered ones, while the numbered ones are connceted and started the series. Thus making it mainline.



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Michael-5 on 20 October 2013
Zero999 said:
AlphaCielago said:
Zero999 said:

some of them being connected is irrelevant. unless ALL of them are connected, it's just a bunch of separete stories = no main line.


You're alone on this one as it seems no one is agreeing with you.

You know what, Spirit Tracks anf Hourglass aren't main series because they just connect to some  games, in other words Hourglass and Wind Waker. 

Zelda series doesn't have a main series.

what an auto owned. go check the zelda timeline.

by the way, even if zelda titles weren't connected story wise (wich they are), they all share the same gameplay style, be it in 2d or 3d. numbered and non numbered final fantasies have no story or gameplay relation. you could pick some of the numbered ones that are connected in story and call it the main series but then you'd have to consider all the others (including many numbered ones) as spin offs.

How is Final Fantasy different from Zelda? FF II and FF IV are directly, FF IV and VI are directly related, which are also indirectly related to FFVII and FFX  (take place in the same place hundreds of years apart), FFI and IX are directly related, FF III and FFV are loosely related, FFI and FFIX are directly related, FFXIII is related to FFVII, and FFVII and FFX are indirectly related.

So from that we can see that FF 2,4,6,7,10, and 13 are related, FF 1 & 9 are too, and so are 3 & 8 (I don't know how 11, 12, 14 tie in though since they are newer and I don't know much about them). Now this is still 3 timelines, but before 3 years ago we didn't know how Phantom Hourglass, and Wind Waker were related to Zelda games, yet we still considered them main series right?

4 Heroes of light is not related to main series FF games, plus it has no numerical number, nor does it get the same epic budget as main series FF games, so we can conclude, it's a spin off.

Just to put a nail in this debate coffin, the Japanese name for this game is -  Hikari no 4 Sensi -Final Fantasy Gaiden - and do you know what Gaiden translates to? Side Story. Literally, it's called a Side Story in Japan, geez.

sc94597 said:

What? I've been playing Final Fantasy games since I was four years old and never heard of (nor seen) a connection between any of the numbered games which implies they're in the same universe. 

Squaresoft and Square Enix made every main series FF game tell its own story. None of the main series games are direct sequels or prequels to another, but they are all subtly related. I mean you'd have to really look for the connections, like Kain (FFIV) being reference as the son of Richard (FFII).

It's like Zelda, if you play ALttP, they reference the original Zelda, if you play OoT it references ALttP. The difference between Zelda and FF is that Majora's Mask would have been labeled OoT-2 if it were an FF game since they affect the same story arc directly.



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Michael-5 on 20 October 2013
AlphaCielago said:
Zero999 said:
AlphaCielago said:
Zero999 said:

no one needs to agree with me for it to be true. in the end it's just a lose-lose situation for you because even if the numbered ff's were a main line, the so called "spin offs" have to be considered main line too.

Since when? Actually no they don't. Because they aren't main series. The numbered FF's are main because they started the whole series and started to get sequels in form of a numerical system. Why do you think that they are the most hyped by people  in the whole series. 

numbers are just that, numbers. it's the contents of the game that define if it's a sequel or not. and the so called "spin offs" are no less final fantasy than the numbered ones.

Michael yet again countered what you said. The spin-offs doesn't have a connection to the numbered ones, while the numbered ones are connceted and started the series. Thus making it mainline.

The game is called FF: The 4 Heroes of Light Gaiden in Japan. Gaiden translates roughly into "Side Story."

Done.



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AlphaCielago on 20 October 2013
Michael-5 said:

AlphaCielago said:

Michael yet again countered what you said. The spin-offs doesn't have a connection to the numbered ones, while the numbered ones are connceted and started the series. Thus making it mainline.

The game is called FF: The 4 Heroes of Light Gaiden in Japan. Gaiden translates roughly into "Side Story."

Done.


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Zero999 on 20 October 2013
AlphaCielago said:
Zero999 said:

numbers are just that, numbers. it's the contents of the game that define if it's a sequel or not. and the so called "spin offs" are no less final fantasy than the numbered ones.

Michael yet again countered what you said. The spin-offs doesn't have a connection to the numbered ones, while the numbered ones are connceted and started the series. Thus making it mainline.

countered? all I saw was him proving my point. let's make it clear again: UNLESS FINAL FANTASY I THROUGH XV ARE ALL CONNECTED, THEY DON'T CONSTITUTE A MAIN SERIES. you can pick one set of games that connect to each other and call it main series, the rest will have to be considered spin offs.



Zero999 on 20 October 2013
Michael-5 said:

How is Final Fantasy different from Zelda? FF II and FF IV are directly, FF IV and VI are directly related, which are also indirectly related to FFVII and FFX  (take place in the same place hundreds of years apart), FFI and IX are directly related, FF III and FFV are loosely related, FFI and FFIX are directly related, FFXIII is related to FFVII, and FFVII and FFX are indirectly related.

So from that we can see that FF 2,4,6,7,10, and 13 are related, FF 1 & 9 are too, and so are 3 & 8 (I don't know how 11, 12, 14 tie in though since they are newer and I don't know much about them). Now this is still 3 timelines, but before 3 years ago we didn't know how Phantom Hourglass, and Wind Waker were related to Zelda games, yet we still considered them main series right?

4 Heroes of light is not related to main series FF games, plus it has no numerical number, nor does it get the same epic budget as main series FF games, so we can conclude, it's a spin off.

Just to put a nail in this debate coffin, the Japanese name for this game is -  Hikari no 4 Sensi -Final Fantasy Gaiden - and do you know what Gaiden translates to? Side Story. Literally, it's called a Side Story in Japan, geez.

sc94597 said:

What? I've been playing Final Fantasy games since I was four years old and never heard of (nor seen) a connection between any of the numbered games which implies they're in the same universe. 

Squaresoft and Square Enix made every main series FF game tell its own story. None of the main series games are direct sequels or prequels to another, but they are all subtly related. I mean you'd have to really look for the connections, like Kain (FFIV) being reference as the son of Richard (FFII).

It's like Zelda, if you play ALttP, they reference the original Zelda, if you play OoT it references ALttP. The difference between Zelda and FF is that Majora's Mask would have been labeled OoT-2 if it were an FF game since they affect the same story arc directly.

bolded: no, those are 3 universes = no main series. and wind waker was always an obvious sequel to ocarina and you forgto the most important part: gameplay. a franchise's main series can be identified by either story or gameplay. since numbered final fantasies are not connected story wise and have no fixed gameplay, they don't constitute a main series.

bolded 2: I put a nail in this debate a  long time ago. the game can be called whatever they want, it's the content that matters. and the contents of the likes of crystal chronicles, tactics and four heroes makes them as "main series" as the numbered ones.



Icyedge on 20 October 2013

The game looks good, something sure is that it got one of the best sound track in gaming history. Did you know they had a live tour all over japan performing the sound track, which is actually a full album from Linked Horizon. I wasnt able to find the battle theme with the symphonic orchestra on youtube but those will give you an idea anyway.