You're hilarious. Piece by piece, lets take apart your "statements" (which dont even make any sense as you attempt to confuse the issues from your original wrong statements) "Wrong. NPD last year November 2005 - 330k, December 2005 -280k. Go look it up. Now NPD is only for US. They may have "shipped" that many, but again that's different from sold. " Wrong what? I was telling you, that your stament PS3 has a million available, is comparing SHIPPED to reported SALES which is not acceptable. So no, YOU are WRONG. I dont even know why you started the sentence with "wrong", then started talking about something that had nothing to do with my post. Like I said, nice attempt to confuse. Where did I state the Xbox didn't sell November "2005 - 330k, December 2005 -280k"? I'm well aware of the NPD and shipped numbers for all these consoles, and so are you apparantly, which makes your disingenuousness all the more glaring. It's like if you say a dog we see is black, and I say it's brown, and you reply with "WRONG. clearly that dog is a German Sheperd". It has nothing to do with the topic. "Also NPD doesn't account for the last week of December. However, since 360 only had 2 shipments last year before January, it's not likely NPD would miss the information. Anyone who was shopping for a 360 last year (me) would know that. " What does this have to do with anything? Where did I say NPD does account for the last week of December? And why is it even relevant to this discussion? Please stop injecting useless tangents into the discussion. "PLUS THAT 1.5 million WAS WORLDWIDE FOR 360, did you forget about that? They never announced they shipped that many to the US, which is what NPD reports. NPD has reported 690k for PS3. " Yes, I know. So what? According to NPD sales, Xbox 360 sold 607k in it's time and PS3 690k in it's time. Not a huge difference. You're the one who attempted to muddle the waters by using SHIPPED figures for PS3 (1m) versus SOLD for 360, which I told you you cant do. "You can't even get these simple numbers right. 197k November + 480k for December. Jeez. Try adding. World wide Sony hasn't said what they shipped yet, just that they shipped 1 million to NA. " I know that. So? The issue was you stating PS3 has more available to date (by using a shipped number and comparing it to a sold number) than 360 had through Feb last year, which simply isn't true. Shipped numbers include a lot of lag time. Can be as much as four to eight weeks of lag time. That is the same for ALL CONSOLES. You are trying to say PS3 has no lag, 1 million shipped= 1 million sold. However for 360 according to you, Shipped!=sold. The PS3 has barely sold more than 360 to date by NPD. Use those numbers. If your theory is correct, then all those PS3 sales you think occured in the last week of Dec (not true, I think NPD ends Dec 28) would just end up in January NPD (because the NPD is not skipping any days). So, youd have, according to you, at least 310,000 PS3's sold (1m-690k) before Jan even started. Which means Jan NPD for PS3 would be about 500,000 minimum. Obviously that's not going to happen, so you lose again. Notice any trends here? Either that or you can claim, yeah Sony shipped all those but they wont all sell, therefore wont show up in Jan NPD. Which is again, bad for you because it means PS3 isn't selling. Either that, or Sony wont ship any PS3's for all January because the ones from the end of Dec (that you claim exist) would be enough. The latter scenario is clearly false. BTW, speaking of not being able to add, I went back and added up the 360 NPD's for last Nov, Dec, Jan, and Feb, and it came to 1,017,000. Which makes your statement here clearly false: "1 million units is more than what "360 had available for all of November, December, January, and February." Which makes your statement here rather funny: "You can't even get these simple numbers right" BTW, it's pretty funn 360 sold 607k in Dec/Nov, PS3 barely more at 690k. Yet you couldn't easily get a 360 until April, and you can already easily get a PS3. Clearly, demand for PS3 is lower. That's what $600 does to you I guess. Your only "claim" is based on comparing Sony ship PR to NPD figures. Which even if you are right (which you have no proof of, you do not know Sony's ship schedules, you do not have any proof when they shipped what, you do not have any proof NPD doesn't cover the last week in Dec (covers til Dec 28 I believe), and even if you had proof of all that and it was all true, it still doesn't matter, you still compared shipped to NPD which is wrong). And the ONLY way your shenagins even might be true is Sony would have to have a huge January NPD, which they wont. But again, it doesn't even matter if hypothetically they were true, you'd still be in the wrong. Dont compare shipped to NPD.

And PS3 ramped a high volume of production already. 1 million units is more than what 360 had available for all of November, December, January, and February. And by the time they hit 1 million (NPD) in March it was available on walk in. This is what I said. Say whatever you want. But the fact is every 360 that M$ could ship was sold. So I was saying they did not ship 1 million in NA till the end of February, I should correct myself there. Every single unit they could ship to NA they did and they sold. There was not a large discrepency between their shipped and sold numbers at that time. I was not comparing them, I was stating the reasons as to why you can find some on the shelf. Because 1 million were shipped to NA by December 31st, and the second reason being shipments are coming weekly and there is no shortage. At launch last year there was all of 2 shipments before Christmas, launch and about 10 days before Christmas. I'm simply explaining it's no mystery why you can find a PS3, Sony did a great job shipping as many as they possibly could. I'm not sure, but I remember reading NPD goes from the monday after black Friday to the Day after Christmas for the December report. You're the one who got all negative with me first. Telling me to shut up. I've given support to all 3 of these manufacturers and will continue to do so. But the fact remains, I don't think 360 "shipped" 1 million consoles to NA till sometime at the End of February. PS3 has "shipped" 1 million by December 31st. I guess to clarify, I'm saying since it was nearly impossible to find a 360 till March, it's shipped NA numbers are likely very close to the "sold" NPD number. Regardless, my argument pertained to why you can find a PS3 on the shelf. It really had nothing to do with the 360, I was just giving a simple reason why it was very hard to find a 360 at launch and now you can find a PS3 in "some" places.

It's obvious to me you are a fanboy not capable of reasoning with or admitting to being wrong. I will admit I compared those two numbers because every 360 shipped then was sold, so the shipped number closely reflected NPDs numbers. And you could walk in and get one in March. I actually walked in and got one at the end of January (yes I own a 360). I will also admit I was wrong to say 1 million was more than the total shipped thru end of February, but barely. The NPD number should closely reflect what M$ shipped. Because they sold almost every unit shipped. Everyone who was looking for a PS3 knows that the week after Christmas, infact the weekend of new years (after the 28th, I don't know where you get this date, but I remember reading a report saying they did not record anything after the day after Christmas). But that weekend was a massive shipment. BB did a relaunch on the 31st, they had upwards of 60 units for each store. Large shipments came in that whole week from the day after Christmas to New years eve. But be objective, what was the reason M$ couldn't provide enough consoles? They couldn't get their manufacturing turned around, and consoles were overheating a lot, and the red ring o death. Being a fanboy is stupid. I'd rather have all 3, but I'm not gonna pull in punches in my criticism of them all.

I went to several stores and saw PS3 in stock.Gamestop had them, bestbuy had a few in stock and target too.the guy at target said wii's are in high demand and go quickly and PS3 take 3-4 days to sell. Sony missed a golden opportunity with xmas as a present of choice the wii got out there and is winning friends and influencing people. Kid goes to friends house and plays wii says to mom I want it.The wii is cost effective and family friendly gaming the PS3 and 360 are more of a hi-end system for extreme gamers. so now he PS3 is selling to birthdays and late promised xmas gifts but at a $600.00 price point it really needs some hi end mutually exclusive title to push it out the door like MGS4. I mean getting GT hd one track free was cool resistence is cool. but I went shopping at the mall and found a wii and got it last one in stock and everybody wants to play it. I let them I still wont let them touch my PS3 though. not that theres anything there to play like wii sports or rayman. Going through zelda too. and the new gears maps damn how happy am I what should I play????

Yeah, and microsoft also launched in three territories, not two. Does that make them better than Sony? Sony only has to divide it's shipments two ways. Yet I agree, partly because they only had two territories, Sony was able to replenish much better than Microsoft. They did do a better job at that, as evidenced by going from 200k in Nov to 500k in Dec. You're still not accounting that shipped is ALWAYS a good deal higher than sold. This applies to ALL CONSOLES. There is LAG TIME of 4-8 WEEKS that these consoles are shipped. Even if every 360 was snapped up the minute it hit a shelf, there is still many in transit. Conversly, a million PS3's shipped means many have not even reached stores yet. The reason I know about the 4-8 weeks is because microsoft talked about it in a interview. There are so many stores in the USA, many a long distance from the distribution centers. That's all transit time. And the cost effective way to ship is by boat (from China), which means even more time (Sony was probably airfreighting PS3's though, but it's still 4-8 weeks) Hell, Sony is the one famous for imflated ship figures. Sony supposedly counts as soon as they leave the assembly line in China as shipped. MS says they dont call it shipped until it leaves the distribution center in Missouri headed to a store (I think it was Missouri).

This turns out not to be the case. Microsoft announced (in a financial capacity, which means they weren't lying) that they shipped 900k 360s to North America in 2006. NPD reports 630k sold for 2006. This is fairly analogous to Sony's 1 million/680k sold figures, so makes plenty of sense.

agreed

Sony counts shipped as "sold-in" I posted links to this from Sony on another thread here on the forums. They were interviewing them and the interviewer asked "so that's 1 million shipped right?" And they said "1 million sold in" And they went on to ask that means the retailer has it right? And they said "Yes" I can find it for you if you want, but it's in another thread here, and I'm tired of posting the links and then no one reading it. You also have to consider, NPD never counts the last few days of the month. As I pointed out, Sony had massive shipments the days after Christmas. And specifically 1 that came in on New Years weekend. BB had a relaunch where every BB had at least 60 units, to give you and idea at launch every BB said they would have a minimum of 26. I frankly don't see how M$ could say they shipping 900k to NA. Before years end. It's a WELL KNOWN FACT that there were ONLY 2 SHIPMENTS before Christmas. One at launch, one about 10 days before Christmas. Another shipment did not arrive till January. And they were completely sold out everywhere. So to me NPD accounts for every console that was available. Sony this year on the other hand, the lag time is not 4-8 weeks. They are airlifting units from China over. The lag time is less than 1 week, if not a few days. None of these units are coming by ship. That makes a very big difference.

Before you even pull out the differences between what Sony says is shipped and M$ interpretation of shipped. SCEA’s Senior VP of Marketing, Peter Dille "GI: Now you said its 2 million worldwide sold in? Dille: It’s 1 million in North America. What we’re not talking about today is the Japanese numbers, but we will be announcing those soon in the Sony announcement that will come out of Japan. GI: “Sold in” means the retailers have the units, correct? Dille: Correct. What the sell-in number refers to is that we’ve shipped it, we’ve sold it to retail, and the fact that we got to a million was possible because we were air shipping these products in. If we had gone with a boat, there was no way we would have gone to a million. So we’re not playing games with the numbers. These were sold into retail, and you can image the retailer’s incentive: If they’re shipped on a plane, they can go up onto the shelves as quickly as possible. And really, as soon as they’re getting there, they’re evaporating. There’s a tremendous demand." Here it is. Notice he asks point blank. "Sold in" means retailers have the units, correct? Response: "Correct"

Because we all know that $ony would never try and misconstrue what a competitior does to make themselves look better, just like MS has never ever done anything like that either Anyway, I don't see why you people insist on debating numbers that you apparently pull out of nowhere(read: no links) when this site keeps track of monthly sales in the US and Japane. In fact, I've made it easy for you by including this link where you can see this sites numbers of 360 vs. Xbox. Sadly they have yet to update this section with the P$3 figures. Either way, these are hard numbers without any of that "lag time" and sold through bullshit clouding up figures - of course, this is all unless you wan't to start debating this site validity And regarding your theory that the first million is when the con$ole i$ mo$t in demand: All I can $ay is that's immensly $hort$highted. First off, if that is true then why is the Wii $till widely $old out even though it is va$tly over a million? And the $ame was true with the P$2. Maybe $ony'$ problem i$n't doing an excellent job meeting demand, but that P$3 demand was far lower than anyone expected, inluding $ony.