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Are suspensions getting ridiculous?

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impertinence said:

That is a pretty weird claim, how in the world would this not be suspension worthy? Seabrook leaves his feet, targets the head, makes principal contact with the head and the player is injured. If it was the reagular season this would be an in person hearing. If the league was half way serious about player safety, a hit like that would be a suspension for the rest of the series at the very least.


First off he doesn't leave his feet till after the impact. Secondly, the league looks at the position the player puts himself in. Backes turns sharply (because the puck was behind him) right before the hit. Eddie O was talking about it when they came back from intermission that he was talking about it with someone from the league that they will look at that.



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Max King of the Wild said:
impertinence said:

That is a pretty weird claim, how in the world would this not be suspension worthy? Seabrook leaves his feet, targets the head, makes principal contact with the head and the player is injured. If it was the reagular season this would be an in person hearing. If the league was half way serious about player safety, a hit like that would be a suspension for the rest of the series at the very least.


First off he doesn't leave his feet till after the impact. Secondly, the league looks at the position the player puts himself in. Backes turns sharply (because the puck was behind him) right before the hit. Eddie O was talking about it when they came back from intermission that he was talking about it with someone from the league that they will look at that.

Nonsense from top to bottom. It doesn't matter when you leave your feet, who ever told you that little gem? In fact it doesn't really matter if you leave your feet at all. What makes the hit dirty and suspendable is that Seabrook launches himself into the hit. And that's also why he ends up leaving his feet.

As for Backes turning at the last moment, I'd like to see who thinks that has much impact here. A player turning right before he gets hit can sometimes be used to excuse hits from behind. Backes doesn't turn away from the hit though, he turns into it which is the only reason whu Brent Seabrook didn't barrel into him from behind which would have made the hit even worse if possible.

I'm not surprised that the Blackhawks broadcasters are trying to play down the hit, because it's quite frankly a pretty disgusting hit. Hell, even Mike Milbury was defending Seabrook on NBC, so it can't be that bad right?



impertinence said:

Nonsense from top to bottom. It doesn't matter when you leave your feet, who ever told you that little gem? In fact it doesn't really matter if you leave your feet at all. What makes the hit dirty and suspendable is that Seabrook launches himself into the hit. And that's also why he ends up leaving his feet.

As for Backes turning at the last moment, I'd like to see who thinks that has much impact here. A player turning right before he gets hit can sometimes be used to excuse hits from behind. Backes doesn't turn away from the hit though, he turns into it which is the only reason whu Brent Seabrook didn't barrel into him from behind which would have made the hit even worse if possible.

I'm not surprised that the Blackhawks broadcasters are trying to play down the hit, because it's quite frankly a pretty disgusting hit. Hell, even Mike Milbury was defending Seabrook on NBC, so it can't be that bad right?

Brandon Shanahan. If the head isn't targeted no supplemental discipline (players with their head lower than should be or running into the hit themselves). It needs to be principle point AND targetted.

"as you can see the video shows while this play develops quickly, no sudden moves just prior to contact"



http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=237066

You can skip all the good hits. He shows 4 bad hits and in 3 of them he mentions that there is no sudden movement from the player being hit. That's because they take that into consideration



That was a really dumb hit to make, careless and wreckless.. and costs the hawks a VERY important game.

and although it looks like backes moves right before, its a move that is expected as hes coming out of that corner. its not like hes spinning around the other way. its not worth alot but its worth something.. but then again lucic gets only a 5k fine for delibrately hitting someone in the nuts with his stick so you never know.

in the end, i fucking hate backes so that was still nice to see lol but i hate seabrook too haha



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DD_Bwest said:
That was a really dumb hit to make, careless and wreckless.. and costs the hawks a VERY important game.

and although it looks like backes moves right before, its a move that is expected as hes coming out of that corner. its not like hes spinning around the other way. its not worth alot but its worth something.. but then again lucic gets only a 5k fine for delibrately hitting someone in the nuts with his stick so you never know.

in the end, i fucking hate backes so that was still nice to see lol but i hate seabrook too haha


Which is exactly why I said if they are consistent. They hardly ever are (look at the poll from the begining of the season still lol). Shanahan always talked about player leaving his skates before/after impact in the videos because thats one thing they look at. They also look at sudden movements. They also look at player record which I dont even think Seabrook has been fined before. I think it was a bad hit (the guy didn't have the puck) but I think the hit was made worse by the fact he turned back to retrieve the puck he over skate.

Earlier in the game jackman hit kieth from behind when kieth didnt even have the puck. Seems like some direct blown calls has gone against the Blackhawks the last two games.



Max King of the Wild said:
impertinence said:

Nonsense from top to bottom. It doesn't matter when you leave your feet, who ever told you that little gem? In fact it doesn't really matter if you leave your feet at all. What makes the hit dirty and suspendable is that Seabrook launches himself into the hit. And that's also why he ends up leaving his feet.

As for Backes turning at the last moment, I'd like to see who thinks that has much impact here. A player turning right before he gets hit can sometimes be used to excuse hits from behind. Backes doesn't turn away from the hit though, he turns into it which is the only reason whu Brent Seabrook didn't barrel into him from behind which would have made the hit even worse if possible.

I'm not surprised that the Blackhawks broadcasters are trying to play down the hit, because it's quite frankly a pretty disgusting hit. Hell, even Mike Milbury was defending Seabrook on NBC, so it can't be that bad right?

Brandon Shanahan. If the head isn't targeted no supplemental discipline (players with their head lower than should be or running into the hit themselves). It needs to be principle point AND targetted.

"as you can see the video shows while this play develops quickly, no sudden moves just prior to contact"

That is completely irrelevant as the departmant of player safety has handed out plenty of suspensions where the head wasn't specifically targeted but the principal point of contact were the head. Last not more than a few weeks ago when Zac Rinaldo got suspended for four games. I think you are getting confused between the penalty called illegal check to the head, and the supplementary disiplin handed out for dangerous hits.

It's the same thing with Backes moving before the hit, it's not relevant, if anything it makes the hit simingly less predatory as at least he doesn't hit him from behind. What Shanahan has to say about turning before an illegal check to the head is meaningless, it doesn't apply to this situation. It's almost like you're arguing thaa it's not suspendable because this and that is not consistent with an illegal check to the head. Well, in the real world, illegal checks to the head are not the only suspendable offense in the NHL.Seabrook wasn't even assesed an illegal check to the head penalty, your whole argument makes no sense.



The analysts for the National game treated the Avalanche like they were the Colorado MAcKinnons after last nights performance. It was kind of over blown to me. I will see, but Mickinnon looks to be a big game superstar. He was last year for the Moose Heads. 



Well, MacKinnon is averaging more than a point per period so far in the playoffs.  Given, it's just two games (his first two, as a rookie), but it's still impressive.  But not as impressive as that line with him, Statsny and Landeskog, talking heads said that line is +5 so far.

 

Still, avs allow way too many shots on net.



well seabrooke gets a hearing but sounds like its only a phone call



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