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walsufnir said:
So many "technicians" here only talking about stuff they don't know about :) Impressive how agenda makes people to experts while knowing *nothing* about what needs to be in order for a good streaming service. No matter what, MS already has a big cloud service already running. Now. To try out for everyone. This has nothing to do with what they would be able to do with their streaming service but the infrastucture is ready *now*. data centers, serves, contracts with peerings, everything. Now Sony has to show us what they are able to do and I hope it will be 2014. I hope 2014 is also for Europe, everything else would mean they bought a service which was never ready in Europe for masses.


Pot, kettle.



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walsufnir said:
So many "technicians" here only talking about stuff they don't know about :) Impressive how agenda makes people to experts while knowing *nothing* about what needs to be in order for a good streaming service. No matter what, MS already has a big cloud service already running. Now. To try out for everyone. This has nothing to do with what they would be able to do with their streaming service but the infrastucture is ready *now*. data centers, serves, contracts with peerings, everything. Now Sony has to show us what they are able to do and I hope it will be 2014. I hope 2014 is also for Europe, everything else would mean they bought a service which was never ready in Europe for masses.

You don't need to be a technician to know a bullshit statement when you read one.

Seriously. Just because MS has 300k servers does not mean Sony's service is bad. It means MS service could be POTENTIALLY MUCH BETTER, and even then, the qualification of BETTER is subjective.

For instance, like I said before I like the xb1 aside from some things. Not enough to buy it instead of a ps4, but definitely reignited my interest in the xbox brand. There are a lot of great things in it, but to say that it is BETTER....FOR ME....is just simply not true. For instance, like the cloud, xb1 has many facets. A lot of them aren't wortha  dime to me. XBOX fitness? Umm I go to the gym 5 times a week already, and with buddies, and I'm such a regular and have made friends with all the staff that they allow me to bring anyone I want for free, and I even have a huge discount and trainer help whenever I want it. SO yeah, nothing of worth to me.

Football?
I like football a lot, but I usually go out to watch...like to bars with friends. I also have many friends at bars and get drinks for free mostly. AGain...no value.

Kinect?
It's decent. I like a lot about it, but it's not a huge deal for me. I do like voice controlled channel switching and commands. So that has value to me.

Games?
They are good games, I'll grant. That has value to me. But...I also work three jobs and hang out with friends near constantly. I kind of prefer portable gaming on my 3ds, vita, and galaxy.

So...to me...the xb1 is 500$ for kinect and some games.

I know it seems like quite a ramble and off topic, but if you take this into context, it makes sense.
Just because something has the capability of a lot of things doesn't mean the competition does what they do poorly, nor does it guarantee a quality valuable service.

POTENTIAL.

Granted, ps3 sold on the platform of potential...which it lived up to. We will have to wait and see if xb1 and its cloud can live up to their own potential. If it can, I'll get one.

If you didn't know, I didn't buy a ps3 until it hit 400. I bought a wii and a 360 previous. Perspective.



theprof00 said:
walsufnir said:
So many "technicians" here only talking about stuff they don't know about :) Impressive how agenda makes people to experts while knowing *nothing* about what needs to be in order for a good streaming service. No matter what, MS already has a big cloud service already running. Now. To try out for everyone. This has nothing to do with what they would be able to do with their streaming service but the infrastucture is ready *now*. data centers, serves, contracts with peerings, everything. Now Sony has to show us what they are able to do and I hope it will be 2014. I hope 2014 is also for Europe, everything else would mean they bought a service which was never ready in Europe for masses.

You don't need to be a technician to know a bullshit statement when you read one.

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I counter that you do need to know the technology before you can call something BS.  The big problem is most actually do not know the technology.  You are making broad sweeping comments about cloud this and that without understanding how the Cloud actually works or even the type of service used.  



Machiavellian said:
theprof00 said:
walsufnir said:
So many "technicians" here only talking about stuff they don't know about :) Impressive how agenda makes people to experts while knowing *nothing* about what needs to be in order for a good streaming service. No matter what, MS already has a big cloud service already running. Now. To try out for everyone. This has nothing to do with what they would be able to do with their streaming service but the infrastucture is ready *now*. data centers, serves, contracts with peerings, everything. Now Sony has to show us what they are able to do and I hope it will be 2014. I hope 2014 is also for Europe, everything else would mean they bought a service which was never ready in Europe for masses.

You don't need to be a technician to know a bullshit statement when you read one.

Other stuff removed for brevity


I counter that you do need to know the technology before you can call something BS.  The big problem is most actually do not know the technology.  You are making broad sweeping comments about cloud this and that without understanding how the Cloud actually works or even the type of service used.  

Hilarious how you pick one sentence out of his many arguemtns and ignore the rest...Cherry picking your arguments.



iamdeath said:
Machiavellian said:
theprof00 said:
walsufnir said:
So many "technicians" here only talking about stuff they don't know about :) Impressive how agenda makes people to experts while knowing *nothing* about what needs to be in order for a good streaming service. No matter what, MS already has a big cloud service already running. Now. To try out for everyone. This has nothing to do with what they would be able to do with their streaming service but the infrastucture is ready *now*. data centers, serves, contracts with peerings, everything. Now Sony has to show us what they are able to do and I hope it will be 2014. I hope 2014 is also for Europe, everything else would mean they bought a service which was never ready in Europe for masses.

You don't need to be a technician to know a bullshit statement when you read one.

Other stuff removed for brevity


I counter that you do need to know the technology before you can call something BS.  The big problem is most actually do not know the technology.  You are making broad sweeping comments about cloud this and that without understanding how the Cloud actually works or even the type of service used.  

Hilarious how you pick one sentence out of his many arguemtns and ignore the rest...Cherry picking your arguments.

Why is it hilarious, there was only one sentence I wanted to reply to.  The rest was fine since it was his opinion about the X1 not about the capability of the Rio service.  The rest of his argument is more of a personal opinion which is off topic from the subject.



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Machiavellian said:
theprof00 said:
walsufnir said:
So many "technicians" here only talking about stuff they don't know about :) Impressive how agenda makes people to experts while knowing *nothing* about what needs to be in order for a good streaming service. No matter what, MS already has a big cloud service already running. Now. To try out for everyone. This has nothing to do with what they would be able to do with their streaming service but the infrastucture is ready *now*. data centers, serves, contracts with peerings, everything. Now Sony has to show us what they are able to do and I hope it will be 2014. I hope 2014 is also for Europe, everything else would mean they bought a service which was never ready in Europe for masses.

You don't need to be a technician to know a bullshit statement when you read one.

Other stuff removed for brevity


I counter that you do need to know the technology before you can call something BS.  The big problem is most actually do not know the technology.  You are making broad sweeping comments about cloud this and that without understanding how the Cloud actually works or even the type of service used.  

What are you talking about though?

My statements have nothing to do with Rio. I'm saying you can't judge gaikai just because rio uses 300k servers. My argument is pretty sound as well. Gaikai may have enough to do what it needs to do, and Rio may be geared toward the company as a whole. I'm not saying Rio is bad. I'm saying this is the definition of apples to oranges.



I have a feeling this streaming service will be leagues ahead of Gakai, since MS are behind it. It will probably be like the situation of XBLA vs. PSN at the beginning of this generation, if not a bigger leap. And yes, I am a big MS supporter, but their experience in this area is second-to-none.



People here do realize that MS has been in the gaming industry for almost as long as they have existed, and has worked with server/cloudbased solutions probably longer than anyone?



theprof00 said:
Machiavellian said:
theprof00 said:
walsufnir said:
So many "technicians" here only talking about stuff they don't know about :) Impressive how agenda makes people to experts while knowing *nothing* about what needs to be in order for a good streaming service. No matter what, MS already has a big cloud service already running. Now. To try out for everyone. This has nothing to do with what they would be able to do with their streaming service but the infrastucture is ready *now*. data centers, serves, contracts with peerings, everything. Now Sony has to show us what they are able to do and I hope it will be 2014. I hope 2014 is also for Europe, everything else would mean they bought a service which was never ready in Europe for masses.

You don't need to be a technician to know a bullshit statement when you read one.

Other stuff removed for brevity


I counter that you do need to know the technology before you can call something BS.  The big problem is most actually do not know the technology.  You are making broad sweeping comments about cloud this and that without understanding how the Cloud actually works or even the type of service used.  

What are you talking about though?

My statements have nothing to do with Rio. I'm saying you can't judge gaikai just because rio uses 300k servers. My argument is pretty sound as well. Gaikai may have enough to do what it needs to do, and Rio may be geared toward the company as a whole. I'm not saying Rio is bad. I'm saying this is the definition of apples to oranges.

Basically I was saying that people who do not know how the technology actually works cannot make informed opinions.  It would be great if people took the time to research the subject more but most do not.

As for Gaikai, how well it works will definitely be dependant on how much Sony has invested into the service.  You cannot get around the problem of having enough servers to supply locally millions of people that will be using the service around the world.  It really is a numbers game.  There is two ways for Sony to address this problem.  They can build their own datacenters or they can rent them from places like Amazon or Rackspace.  

Right now, Sony is only rolling out the service within the United States.  How many datacenters Sony has for its Gaikai launch will determine if the service is solid and give the user a consistent experiencer.  The closer you are to the datacenter, the less number of hops it takes your request to and from that datacenter makes a huge difference in the response time which is needed for a service like Gaikai to work.  Having a lot of servers definitely makes a difference in the quality of the service.  The more servers you have the greater chance that more users are closer to the datacenter those servers are hosted and thus a greater chance for a consistent experience.  There is no getting around this part and its not apples to oranges, this is just basic network infrastructure.



Machiavellian said:
theprof00 said:
Machiavellian said:
theprof00 said:
walsufnir said:
So many "technicians" here only talking about stuff they don't know about :) Impressive how agenda makes people to experts while knowing *nothing* about what needs to be in order for a good streaming service. No matter what, MS already has a big cloud service already running. Now. To try out for everyone. This has nothing to do with what they would be able to do with their streaming service but the infrastucture is ready *now*. data centers, serves, contracts with peerings, everything. Now Sony has to show us what they are able to do and I hope it will be 2014. I hope 2014 is also for Europe, everything else would mean they bought a service which was never ready in Europe for masses.

You don't need to be a technician to know a bullshit statement when you read one.

Other stuff removed for brevity


I counter that you do need to know the technology before you can call something BS.  The big problem is most actually do not know the technology.  You are making broad sweeping comments about cloud this and that without understanding how the Cloud actually works or even the type of service used.  

What are you talking about though?

My statements have nothing to do with Rio. I'm saying you can't judge gaikai just because rio uses 300k servers. My argument is pretty sound as well. Gaikai may have enough to do what it needs to do, and Rio may be geared toward the company as a whole. I'm not saying Rio is bad. I'm saying this is the definition of apples to oranges.

Basically I was saying that people who do not know how the technology actually works cannot make informed opinions.  It would be great if people took the time to research the subject more but most do not.

As for Gaikai, how well it works will definitely be dependant on how much Sony has invested into the service.  You cannot get around the problem of having enough servers to supply locally millions of people that will be using the service around the world.  It really is a numbers game.  There is two ways for Sony to address this problem.  They can build their own datacenters or they can rent them from places like Amazon or Rackspace.  

Right now, Sony is only rolling out the service within the United States.  How many datacenters Sony has for its Gaikai launch will determine if the service is solid and give the user a consistent experiencer.  The closer you are to the datacenter, the less number of hops it takes your request to and from that datacenter makes a huge difference in the response time which is needed for a service like Gaikai to work.  Having a lot of servers definitely makes a difference in the quality of the service.  The more servers you have the greater chance that more users are closer to the datacenter those servers are hosted and thus a greater chance for a consistent experience.  There is no getting around this part and its not apples to oranges, this is just basic network infrastructure.

Sony HAS rented out their servers from Rackspace. This has been known for nearly half a year now.