To rolstoppable and Darthtigris too, it doesnt really work like that. First off phones didnt have cameras all the time. It just eventually became standard because costs became efficient and it was a popular option. Kinect isnt cost efficient nor is it popular to the extent that camera phones were on. Ill explain bluray in my next post but i need to go for now

They didnt force it, gaming wise, there was no price difference in the games and i could still play dvd's......i had choice

and the console price difference?

to many variables like ps3 also included wifi and hdmi from the get go

bad comparison

I think youve drank to much of the MS cool aid, Kinect is not integral to any of the launch games and can be turned off, ignored and not affect the fun of any of the games. Its so integral they now let you not plug it in at all. 

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I will add they are wanting it to be come integral thats why there bundling it with every console, but what they want and whats true at launch are worlds apart. 

??WTF? This doesn't even make sense.

I hate camera perhiperals with console gaming, a camera is not going to make my expirience with gta5 any better or call of duty,i bought a ps3 with no camera, the 360 with no kinect im buying a ps4 with no camera why should i pay abouit £80 more for xbox one with a camera.....i don't want the dam thing nor pay for it

and if your saying MS actually ate the cost and are taking a loss on it, id like to know what im paying extra for.........cause im not seing it

Shame developers didn't do much with Wiimote.  Best thing I saw besides Nintendo's efforts were the nunchuck and wiimote for FPS (even then some FPS didn't control as good as others, I believe CoD games actually had the best feel). 

As much sense as this supose quote from the Sony PR. I never asked for a camera in my phone, nor to skype in a Vita console.

Well, for months many here belived the PS4 wasn´t multi-app and used all CPU cores for gaming and only 1GB RAM for OS.

You are welcome to belive Sony is a gentle lady that wants only the wellfare of gamers.

That remains to be seen. MS is pushing the core tech far harder than the casual. They would rather force their products upon people than give them a choice.MS knew full well kinect 2 on its own wouldnt have attained the sales they wanted so they force bundled it. Thats the major reason they lied and said the xbone needed it in the first place. Being dishonest with their base matteres not to them. Its about getting caught publically and failing with pr that scares them.

MS cool aid, sure. I dislike Kinect, (v.1, at least) just to let you know.

I'm not saying they are, I said IF they ate the coast it'd essentially be free so pro consumer. As it stands it is what it is.