ENTIRE POST EDIT: I have edited this post (and several others) to more closely reflect how I now feel politically, while attempting to not remove relevance...  Chances are if this message is here, I don't agree with about 80-90% of what was said, thus portions have been removed... If the original post has been quoted, then I automatimatically revoke those thoughts and wish to replace them with what's currently posted in this post... If you are the person who quoted said post, then go ahead and change it if you would please. If you believe I have missed one, then please message me  in order to notify me.

I can't believe I ever liked that idiot Bush...

You should really watch this movie, along with everyone else...

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

I know I'm late to this thread.

@ Montana

Andrew Jackson comes to mind when I think of terrible presidents. Trail of Tears?

@ Legend

You do realize that the reason that Katrina was so horribly handled was the incompetence of my former governor Kathleen Blanco. She halted all help for days. She was the problem at that issue.

gayness is wrong so is abortion? Now you bring in that it fucking is wrong?

Im under 18 and ive had sex, and guess what no consequences. Just because your beliefs state this does not mean they are right, you are completely intertwining religion and politics, not everyone has the same religion of you.

Moral is a relative term. Who says he is moral when we go into iraq for oil when you have starving children all around the world, and you have REAL countrys that are REALLY under dictatorship.

ROFL at the kerry comment, you have your head way to far up your ass my friend.

I heard that jackson actually wanted to negotiate and actually liked the indians, but western pioneers bent on "claiming what is rightfully theirs" and politics with the same idea pressured jackson

Yeah, i'd put Andrew Jackson there too... however historically Andrew Jackson is actually considered one of the best presidents despite the trail of tears and his parnoia over the government banking system.

Reason being... Jacksonian Democracy. Most if not all historians give him a huge pass on the depression, and the ignoring the supreme court and the slaugtering indians because of Jacksonian Democracy which allowed every free white man a vote. Instead of just the free white men who had land.

While the Trail of Tears was Jacksons fault. I believe it was Van Buren that actually carried it out.

Jackson's usually in the low teens when it comes to presidential ratings.  Sometimes higher.

 The Supreme Court said "You can't move these Indians".  Jackson passed the law the court ruled on, and  then later forcibly moved them defying the surpreme court.

You'd be hard pressed to find a time where the 3 branch democracy was in more jeopardy since then.

Quit pushing that propoganda on us...the link has already been provided.

Why don't you read some reviews of that movie instead:

http://www.boingboing.net/2007/08/06/jay-kinney-reviews-z.html

I could barely watch that whole movie. Asserting that Christianity (my religion by choice) is under control of the uber-rich in order to control the masses is the most preposterous thing I've ever heard. And there's no proof of any of the 9/11 or other high-up government conspiracies.

Zeitgeist is largely a movie meant to feed foreigners misleading ideas about America so that they feel better about themselves.

Very good read and I agree with him :D