I'm not sure if you really know how these things work.  Though I can say the same about most people, you in particular seem adamant on something and you wont even change your thoughts even when hard proof is presented.  You'll deny it and think you're right, and that such and such "authority" (barely authority at all) knows what they're talking about so you do too.  Reality is, even non-Nintendo fans know what you say is bull.

so quotes like "the WiiU is current gen" is getting way more credit than they deserve? have you been living under a rock or something?

what hard proof, i do believe wiiu is now more powerful then currentgen, but were 10-20% more powerful and thats mainly cause of the extra ram and edram, i still believe ports will still continue to be inferior though.

yes many developers have said wiiu hardware is current gen interms of performance, but had nintendo released the specs in the first place we would not be going trough this BS, hell many that bought the wiiu when it came out thought it 4-7x more powerful then current gen, does that seem fair to you.

Most third party launch titles running with only two cores enabled and with v-synch enabled (v-synch takes around twice the processing power at the same framerate) with most of the development being done on unfinished dev kits and tools says different.

As does X, Bayonetta 2, Mario Kart 8 and SSBU.

And then you've got the most important snippet of info from this info that most people have missed - both the CPU and GPU have access to 32MB of eDRAM and the CPU also has access to 3MB of CPU cache.

Both the CPU and GPU having access to the eDRAM is huge news.

I don't remember talking about sales with you, I just know you never had a good source when you sprouted non sense, and slightly better =/= on par, maybe you should focus on money and using the funds to go back to school instead of using the time on video games, forums, and gf, if you can't even use your native language properly.

BTW, being able to do DX11 type effects via hardware while having more RAM is an automatic advantage because if 7th gen hardware were to run the same effects, then the Wii U wouldn't just be "slightly" faster in that case. What that means is that you will see effects in Wii U games in the future that can't be run on 7th gen hardware at a reasonable performance level simply due to the innate function differences. Of course, Wii U won't reach X1 or PS4 levels as we've already covered, just like X1 and PS4 won't reach high end PC levels. $(U)->$$$(X1)->$$(PS4)->$$$$(PC) is about it, or you can always add 250(+memory card $) for dual screen on PS4 with a Vita or 600+ for a good tablet for surface support with X1 as well if you don't want to pay 300 dollars for the whole package on Wii U.

orniletter said:

I still don't understand why people think X is some amazing technical showcase. It's a great open world, but it has lots of pop up and low res textures.

this line came from black forrest games developer, who are working on on making games for the wiiu, he said interms of performance its very close to cuurentgen, here is the quote

On the tech side, having DX11 level features is pretty useful, which makes large parts of the system compatible with our other platforms. Overall the hardware itself is slightly faster than the other current-gen consoles. One very nice advantage the console has is the additional usable memory you have. Having that extra memory made development much easier compared to other current-gen platforms.

Yeah, this early version that was still more than a year away from release looked unpolished around the edges ! Who would have thought ?

(Those are the things that are done in the last months, look how much Driveclub has improved in this short time period, that game was flat out mediocre looking before, but is quite nice now ! )