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prayformojo said:
It SHOULD be a basic human RIGHT. Anything less isn't good enough for me.



it is a basic human right in america. Free if you can't afford it and financialy-life-crippling if you can.



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prayformojo said:
It SHOULD be a basic human RIGHT. Anything less isn't good enough for me.


Who the hell doesnt have the right to receive medical care?

Do you mean its a basic human right that other people pay for your medical care?

If that's you're point I disagree with you as I believe it's imoral to forsably take one's person's money for the benefit of another.



This is the Game of Thrones

Where you either win

or you DIE

Medical coverage is not a necessity.

There are three necessities: Food, Water, Shelter.

I have a condition called Cystic Fibrosis, causes me asthma-like symptoms (but much worse) bad digestive issues and a range of additional problems. I have to go to my specialist regularly, spend god awful amounts of money on antibiotics, treatments, therapy machines, etc.

I have a decent job but live in a smaller home and have some trouble paying my bills at times because (in large part) of my medical bills.

This isn't fair, someone should pay those bills for me right? It should be my basic human right to get medical coverage provided for free? I already have to be in pain every single day I shouldn't have to worry about money right!?!?

No

Tough shit.

If I was born 100 years earlier, hell 20 years earlier I wouldn't have made it to 20 years old and I'm thankful for that - no one else should have to pay for it though. I don't get that.



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SlayerRondo said:
prayformojo said:
It SHOULD be a basic human RIGHT. Anything less isn't good enough for me.


Who the hell doesnt have the right to receive medical care?

Do you mean its a basic human right that other people pay for your medical care?

If that's you're point I disagree with you as I believe it's imoral to forsably take one's person's money for the benefit of another.

If you are willing to give the money to help others, then it isn't forceably taken.  So, one can argue the problem isn't the fact the money exchanges hands, but you lack of willingness to give it up.  In this, it isn't theft either.  So, I would then question why you don't want to give up money to help other people.  Why is that?

One could go onto other aspects of what is really your stuff anyhow, but that is a different issue.



richardhutnik said:
So, I would then question why you don't want to give up money to help other people.  Why is that?

 



Because medical coverage under the health insurance system is WAY too expensive to afford for yourself let alone pay for someone else's



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Kasz216 said:
richardhutnik said:
Kasz216 said:
richardhutnik said:
thranx said:
I have lived with out healthcare for 15 years now and i haven't had any issues. Never been turned away by a doctor, i am still in good health, I have had all my dental work done. Doesn't seem to be a neccessity for me. I know I can't live with out food, shelter, and water for that long.

My story is, before I was on Medicaid, I was getting free healthcare at a clinic.  I needed surgery on my back.  They were unable to pay for the anastesia. I was about to get Medicaid and then get the surgery paid for.  Without the surgery, I would of been laid up like a cripple for life, unable to work and in pain.  But, because of the delays in getting the surgery done, I likely have permanent nerve damage to my foot (I have numb spot there).  So, I can see you getting basics, but not sure how you would go about getting surgery, if you needed it, following what you follow.


Not sure how that'd be different in universal healthcare.  With delays being one of the big negatives of it.

Difference is that I got the surgery.  My being on Medicaid is like universal healthcare, and it means I get regular visits to doctors and so on.


My point was, chances are your surgery would of been delayed anyway.


I think his point is that without medicaid, he would NEVER have gotten the surgery at all, and would have been crippled for life. So I think he's still grateful for the socialized medicine, given the alternative.



snyps said:
richardhutnik said:
So, I would then question why you don't want to give up money to help other people.  Why is that?

 



Because medical coverage under the health insurance system is WAY too expensive to afford for yourself let alone pay for someone else's

My entire post was pointed an individuals who claim coersion and theft as reasons for not having government assistance.  I was arguing turning it on its head to get someone arguing coersion and theft to come out and say why they wouldn't give to help others.



I received a letter stating the policy I was currently enrolled in which was a low deductible family coverage plan is no longer an option. However they stated I can pick a new plan modeled after the affordable care act which cost more and offered a higher deductible and less coverage. I was comfortable playing 495 a month, it covered everything and for my entire family I had a 8k deductible with zero out of pocket once it was met for a family of four as well as zero charges for preemptive care, speciality visits, 5-10 dollar prescriptions, etc.

Now I can't even get the same coverage without paying much more out of pocket for my wife and sons medications and speciality doctor visits. I loath government and their phoney altruism.



nuckles87 said:
Kasz216 said:
richardhutnik said:
Kasz216 said:
richardhutnik said:
thranx said:
I have lived with out healthcare for 15 years now and i haven't had any issues. Never been turned away by a doctor, i am still in good health, I have had all my dental work done. Doesn't seem to be a neccessity for me. I know I can't live with out food, shelter, and water for that long.

My story is, before I was on Medicaid, I was getting free healthcare at a clinic.  I needed surgery on my back.  They were unable to pay for the anastesia. I was about to get Medicaid and then get the surgery paid for.  Without the surgery, I would of been laid up like a cripple for life, unable to work and in pain.  But, because of the delays in getting the surgery done, I likely have permanent nerve damage to my foot (I have numb spot there).  So, I can see you getting basics, but not sure how you would go about getting surgery, if you needed it, following what you follow.


Not sure how that'd be different in universal healthcare.  With delays being one of the big negatives of it.

Difference is that I got the surgery.  My being on Medicaid is like universal healthcare, and it means I get regular visits to doctors and so on.


My point was, chances are your surgery would of been delayed anyway.


I think his point is that without medicaid, he would NEVER have gotten the surgery at all, and would have been crippled for life. So I think he's still grateful for the socialized medicine, given the alternative.

Pretty much here.  thranx was talking about how he made by with charity.  I did that route and ended up in a place where i wasn't able to get anastesia covered so I wouldn't of ever go the surgery.  On here, I believe I made mentioned i was laid up to, and no one stepped forward really to help.  I accept what is a reality to me, and question counterpoints.  Sure, I would love to have charity step in, but I find it really doesn't happen.  I actually have gotten far more help, as limited as it is, from the government than charities.  I have a local church that has come in second, but it is limited.

If anyone sees how this charity thing works, please let me know.  I honestly could use a LOT of help here.  Without seeing anyone step forward, all I see is people who would fall into the gaps.  Some would end up arguing, "Well if I got tax breaks I would give more!"  I wonder how many of these individuals tithe.  If you aren't given now, say a tithe, you certainly won't if you get more money.  It works that way.  What will usually happen is individual rationalize the poor and those in need are lazy bums anyhow, and really, really, don't deserve help, because they brought it on themselves.  Examples of this reasoning are seen here, pointed at my situation, why welfare sucks, and almost no one deserves it:

http://www.sequenceinc.com/fraudfiles/2010/03/this-is-why-welfare-sucks/

See, I am just a shiftless and lazy person who just didn't want to work, and didn't have enough gumption.  The same people who argue this, seldom give much to charity, because they just don't feel people are worth it.  It is like the guy who bummed off money for me when I was in NYC to get to Long Island with his family, and says he isn't like the homeless folks.  I should of just said no and told him if maybe he had more compassion for the homeless, maybe he could get help.  But nope, I did give him a $10 and took $5 from him.



richardhutnik said:
snyps said:
richardhutnik said:
So, I would then question why you don't want to give up money to help other people.  Why is that?

 



Because medical coverage under the health insurance system is WAY too expensive to afford for yourself let alone pay for someone else's

My entire post was pointed an individuals who claim coersion and theft as reasons for not having government assistance.  I was arguing turning it on its head to get someone arguing coersion and theft to come out and say why they wouldn't give to help others.



you mean you were using sarcasm? i don't think your post is legible.