Last time I checked DC environmental effects didn't impact game physics. Hell DC it's an arcade game, the driving model it's far more simple. But are you people really putting DC and Forza in the same league?

What's wrong sir? I thought you hailed x1 reveal with all it's infinite cloud power, futuristic system architecture that supposedly is miles ahead of its competition? I thought the cloud was supposed to bring x1 an unadulterated pristine true hd gaming at flawless 60fps? I mean why constantly lower your standards? Or is it what you'd call a strategic retreat?

So in the beginning it was cloud power, then comes the reversal and cloud evaporates, then the myth about 1080p 60fps, then comes forza cutting corners with static environment (but that's ok cos it's a design choice), then comes a fighting game at 720p, then the promise of 1080p exclusive reduced to sub HD. 

I mean sir, why do you make such compromises so? When you can't get 60fps what mattered was 1080p. When that isn't the case, the art direction is what matters. 

If a few year down the line, the competitor manages to show a clear technical edge, what will your next point of retreat be?

I mean you had so much trust in your box that you so decisively rejected pc vs console power comparison with just one sentence.

Weak as a kitten with leukaemia.

I'm laughing sipping tea and I have a feeling ill be laughing for several years more.

Killzone Shadow Fall | 1080p/60fps multiplayer, 1080p/30fps single player
DriveClub | 1080p/60fps target, currently running at 1080p/30fps
Knack | 1080p/30fps
InFamous Second Son | 1080p/30fps (currently running at closer to 60fps)
Resogun | 1080p/60fps

This is what Sony and the Devs are currently promising or at least say they are targeting.People can't kill them over anything promised like it is happening now cause Sony never promised things they can't hold with their current PS4 Games.

All are far more impressive than Ryse,Killer Instinct and in some cases even Forza cause for example Drive Club is doing a lot more with the weather,lightning and environment.

The fact right now is following
Microsoft or the PR promised 1080p and 60fps for Ryse since the beginning.Even a few days ago that guy said they do it.At least he is honest and said he checked to confirm and obviously it wasn't the promised 1080p.
Its just weird this happened after some people had this comparison shots and had the suspicion those shots are heavily photoshopped.
And that wouldn't even be a problem > It's again this damn > promising < crap Microsoft is so good at.
I know they have it hard - They are more expensive and weaker.The weaker console is doing a lot more right now than their more expensive one.
Killzone 4 is so far ahead of everything right now it isn't even funny and this is just launch..Infamous Second Son is coming shortly after.
Those are games even on a bigger scale than Forza cause they have to do a lot more on the screen.

And some guys here should stop with this "Yeah but this doesn't matter at all " while 1 week ago they were on the "OMG hidden Power in the GPU" train.
Don't fool yourself - It matters to at some extent.Especially if you have to pay more money for fales promises.
The same goes for the "Yeah sales don't matter and shipped only in your dreams" while they were on that train too years ago.


To be honest - No one would have a problem with that.
Right now the people that are in the PR or some random newssites are the ones screwing them over.
They get people hyped up to expectations Microsoft or rather the developers would never promise in that way those guys do.
PR guy with no clue "Yeah we have 4k and you get a 4k TV for free" > Everyone hyped up
Random Newssite > Xbox One has a hidden Nuclear Power hidden deep inside no one knows yet off and it will achieve 30k Resolutions with ease
This isn't helping at all.They should control this a lot more and starting being honest.Sony was in the same boat at the beginning of current Gen.

Like The Order running at this weird resolution is an indicator that the PS4´s GPU is underpowered, or Battlefield 4 running somwhere between 720p and 1080p ?

...seems legit !

In which way worrying? Image quality is not only dependant on resolution. I am worried about Driveclub's 30 fps but this of course a design decision (but still I want to play it).

So much text and then "Microsoft or the PR promised 1080p and 60fps for Ryse since the beginning" and the whole post gets a direction. Nice :D

At least it is running on consoles.
BF4 was never shown on Xbox One - On the events it did run on PCs and no one has seen a Xbox One Version of it.
So Between 720p and 1080p is still more than nothing.
The Order is still far away from release and from a Sony Studio i think,right?This isn't even the same and i think they didn't promise anything yet.

They PROMISED and PROMOTED Ryse with 1080p NATIVE and 60 FPS the WHOLE TIME.
And suddenly it isn't nowhere near that.

The reason people are so "upset" and bashing on Ryse/Microsoft is cause of all those damn Promises.
Would they have said "Yeah its a launch game and we are still learning the hardware - 900p will be probably realistic but we will be able to push it to 1080p with upscaling" NO one would complain except haters.
But they promised heaven on earth.And right now being honest would help them more than that even if they accept there games won't run on that level they want to directly on launch

Obviously these technical issues dont effect gamplay, but we were promised 1080p last gen to not get it this gen is rediculously disapointing, if its not about graphics at all and all about gameplay why release a new console especially at the cost of these things. 

If both these new consoles are majority sub 1080p, sorry i will be going back to PC gaming on the whole. Right now i still have hope for PS4 but XBone hope is fading fast. 

For the money im spending i want high resolution and stable framerates, not another gen of compromises. 

Hey im not hating or anything.
I just hate fake promises - Sony did that too with the PS3 and this screwed them over bigtime.
I want to get what they promise especially for that money - As a kid i didn't care > Lol parents bought stuff but right now?Damn 400 or 500€ is a lot if you have to pay bills.
And i have to make decisions and right now that decision is leaning heavily towards Sony cause i somehow see honesty in their actions and words even though i know they just want my money too.
Im pretty sure some people are the same.I wouldn't have a problem with promises that accept at the same time they can't compete at the moment with "others" because we have probably 7 years before us that can change a lot.

And the text above that was written after i was actually done with the part under the "PR" stuff...Should have changed it but well...I hope people get what i mean.

Oh, you are right ! I remember the Gaf leaker saying that XBone games will look worse and worse over the next few months (when we are nearing launch)...and that seems to be the case !

...I just hate this attitude from some of the Sony guys that act like the PS4 is powerful enough to render God´s face in real time in 400 bajillion p...

...I´m not a MS-guy btw...like at all