Wow, this thread was interesting... It felt like I went back to 2007. Console wars are lulzy.

Flamebaiting OP is flamebaiting.

Bullied? Did we used slang or abused anyone? We are talking to the points that were given to us by microsoft.

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it's not a feeling it is a well documented attitude in psychology, the best part is when they'll try to tell you it's not true. we call that being insecure, pretty much what any bully does, they act tough and superior but in reality..... well you know

anyway we all know why we buy an XB1 if we made that choice already, it's for what it has to offer the other rig doesn't have and that list is longer than any spec sheet comparisons for the one that make that choice. It has never been about what the other has over the XB1, this wouldn't make sense anyway. But it seems to elude some people arround here, that if we chose not to buy the PS4 it is not because we are stupid and don't see the differences in power, but exactly the opposite because we know exactly what is different and are more attracted by what the XB1 has to offer the PS4 doesn't. Past gen proved many times that a lot of people don't really care about raw power at the end of the day, especially once you go out of the core gamers and techies market which is not the majority of buyers over the lifetime of a piece of tech.

I just find it funny that MS fans are getting so defensive cause I called Xbone's GPU weak and claiming it flamm bait when it's a fact, the GPU stacks up to a 7770 - 7790 which both are 1080P entry level cards, not meant to run super graphically intensive games at 1080P, the PS4 GPU is mid range meaning of course it'd be able to run more graphically intensive games and yet Xbone fans still deny this no matter how much prove there is before their eyes, lol.

my PC isn't that great and I have no money to upgrade it cause unfortunately I decided to build my rig at the wrong time and was met with high prices for relatively mid range parts so its sad to see my current rig being able to perform better than a console that plans to have a 19 year life cycle, honestly in 5 years PC games will be so gimped to run on consoles that I don't really care for PS4s graphics more so than its games. But continue to play defense cause I presented facts only, its fun to watch. 

Hahaha! The goal posts have shifted now?

I don't have a problem with the X180 not achieving 1080p in all its games. Different games have different demands. Gameplay is the most important. What pisses me off is all the LIES,SPIN and utter NONSENSE form MS. They claimed the power of the clouds which was horse shit! Then showing 1080p at all the shows like E3,Gamescom etc when in fact it was PC footage. Its all been smoke and mirrors from a company that you simply can't trust. There were rumours that they were paying developers to show the PC versions and to make parity with the PS4. A lot of X180 fans were constantly trolling with that KZ Shadowfall and Drive Club are only 30FPS???? There are gonna be some more major nelson meltdowns when you actually see real game footage

ryse is really magical. no game does ever get as many posts as this even if almost nobody will ever buy or even play it lol

the trolling aside fellas who says cloud facilities are up and running? i wouldn't run 300.000 or whatever it was 2 months before release of the console itself

It might have something to do with a certain group of people that linger over the Microsft Section on a daily bases trying to convert people, downplay and de-railing topics.

Oh, no, please. Don't generalizate. I am not denying something. I'm pointing out that the way you post is pure flamebait, it doesn't matter if you're backed up with facts.