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Give me compelling reasons/proofs why Wii sports or Wii Fit won't be huge system sellers again for WiiU

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gum said:

AC is still selling amazing well which proves that the casual are still interested in this ip not only the Nintendo fans. BT, Nintendogs have a lot of ripp-offs on smartphones while the only games that can compete against WS are on other expensive consoles and those games didn't have the same kind of success like MK clones never overshadowed the original. Speaking of WF, it really has no competition, Zumba being the closest one.

So the situation seems very different to BT and ND and at least there is no proofs compelling enough to claim that these particular ips will have the same fate as BT and ND and not continue to sell really well like other casual ips like AC, TC or even MK.


I still don't think this Animal Crossing comparison holds any merit.

Before the Wii explosion, Animal Crossing was selling 3.15m on Gamecube (plus whatever it sold on N64, which we haven't tracked).

It then went on to sell ~ 4.5m on Wii, despite the massive disparity in install-bases between GC & Wii.  While I have no doubt it's the casual friendly game you're making it out to be, it really didn't do much to attract a lot of new fans in.

What happened with Animal Crossing was a portable explosion.  It found its home on handhelds.  It felt like a game that was designed for handhelds - ideal to play in short bursts where you can pick some fruit for 20 minutes here or dig up some weeds for 10 minutes there.  And that's carrying on with the 3DS.

 

So yeah.  I'm still not quite sure why you keep bringing up this Animal Crossing comparison.  Wii Sports / Wii Fit, in my mind, bear a lot more similarities to Nintendogs/Brain Training in that they were explosive new IP's which came out of nowhere and attracted a whole new crowd of people to gaming; were imitated by everyone under the sun and (potentialy) became far less successful when they returned on new hardware.

 

Do you have any thoughts on why these casual gamers would upgrade from the Wii/Kinect that they're already playing on to a new console?

 

Maybe you're correct.  Maybe the casual gamers will flock back to Wii-U once Wii Fit and the (potential) Wii Sports release (remember, they haven't announced anything about that yet).  All the signs we're seeing at the moment though, make it seem highly unlikely.



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Incubi said:
areason said:
You can't have proof. But basically wii sports wasn't good game, it sold systems because it was innovative. The next wii u sports won't.

It is your opinion Wii Sports isn't a good game. In my opinion, it is a good game. Lets put things in perspective here. I went to a party a couple of weeks ago and people where playing Wii Sports hot seat and having a damn good time. 7 years after it released. I have never in my life met anyone who sniffed and said Wii Sports isn't a good game. 

Question is. Will any of these people uprade to something like Wii Sports U? I'm sure some of them will if they actually know it exist. 

The game isn't responsive, has no depth and barely any basic movements. It is hard to determine the skill needed for the game due to factors such as luck and randmoness. Compared to other party games it lacks features especially social ones. Then their is the god awful presentation and graphics which harm the aim of the game which is to make people feel like if they are playing a real sport. But ofcourse such things are overlooked because of how innovative it was. 



I think it is kinda confusing where the gamepad fits on this motion gaming thing, it is too complex for the causal audiences.
The WiiU is in a tight spot alright, who will want to squeeze some juice outta a system so complicated and underpowered?
I think Nintendo would be better off cashing their chips with the nostalgia games like DK or SMB and prepare the next assault with new hardware in 2015.



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WagnerPaiva said:
I think it is kinda confusing where the gamepad fits on this motion gaming thing, it is too complex for the causal audiences.
The WiiU is in a tight spot alright, who will want to squeeze some juice outta a system so complicated and underpowered?
I think Nintendo would be better off cashing their chips with the nostalgia games like DK or SMB and prepare the next assault with new hardware in 2015.


Wii, PS1, PS2, DS - all underpowered consoles



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areason said:
Incubi said:
areason said:
You can't have proof. But basically wii sports wasn't good game, it sold systems because it was innovative. The next wii u sports won't.

It is your opinion Wii Sports isn't a good game. In my opinion, it is a good game. Lets put things in perspective here. I went to a party a couple of weeks ago and people where playing Wii Sports hot seat and having a damn good time. 7 years after it released. I have never in my life met anyone who sniffed and said Wii Sports isn't a good game. 

Question is. Will any of these people uprade to something like Wii Sports U? I'm sure some of them will if they actually know it exist. 

The game isn't responsive, has no depth and barely any basic movements. It is hard to determine the skill needed for the game due to factors such as luck and randmoness. Compared to other party games it lacks features especially social ones. Then their is the god awful presentation and graphics which harm the aim of the game which is to make people feel like if they are playing a real sport. But ofcourse such things are overlooked because of how innovative it was. 

Aside from the boxing game (which is awful with the nunchuck) Wii Sports was perfectly responsive.  I'm not sure what randomness you're talking about.  Tennis and Baseball are almost purely based on timing and pitch selection.  Golf is based purely on force.  Bowling is determined based on your arm movement.  Boxing is a crap shoot.

Compared to other party games Wii Sports is incredibly simplistic, which is a good thing.  You boot it up, click a button, and boom, tennis.  The graphics were made simple to be unintimidating as well as to keep production costs down.  I don't think the goal of Wii Sports was to make me feel like I was in the MLB but to create a simple and fun video game version of the sports and to get people adapted to using the WIi Remote.



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EricFabian said:

Wii, PS1, PS2, DS - all underpowered consoles


Yes, but do you see the WIIU getting this level of success? I mean, all those consoles had their "perfect storm" that ensured their humongous success, but the WiiU doen´t seem, as I see it, to share the same luck.

Please elaborate on your felling on the matter.



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WagnerPaiva said:
EricFabian said:

Wii, PS1, PS2, DS - all underpowered consoles


Yes, but do you see the WIIU getting this level of success? I mean, all those consoles had their "perfect storm" that ensured their humongous success, but the WiiU doen´t seem, as I see it, to share the same luck.

Please elaborate on your felling on the matter.

No, I don't think Wii U will share the same sucess of Wii. Maybe 50M LT. But is not because it is "underpowered", only Nintendo knows the real power of U, of course if we compare it to PS4/X180, underpower. The only problem with Wii U is lack of big games



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I didn't even know Wii Sports U was announced.



Those franchises aren't going to be very disruptive.