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Give me compelling reasons/proofs why Wii sports or Wii Fit won't be huge system sellers again for WiiU

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J_Allard said:
Was Wii Fit a big system seller? Not doubting that comments reality, just asking a serious question. I know Wii Sports was. I didn't know Wii Fit was.

Personally I don't think either would have the impact of Wii Sports on Wii simply because it was something new and had a certain charm that is very hard for developers to recreate. Also, WiiU is not popular. And you have the Kinect now.


Wii Fit was probably one of, if not the most, system selling game ever. I'd say it's largely responsible for the Wii selling as much as it did in 2008.

In regards to the OP, it's really too hard to say what kind of impact it would have on the WiiU. The fitness game market has completely changed since Wii Fit's hayday.



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Wii fit was massive, but part of that success was built up demand for the wii itself. I purchased a wii/Wii-fit... even my mother in law got one... but don't see either us or them getting a wii-u this time around.

This time, because there is alot of apathy about the wii-u and the larger "casual" gamers are not interested in it, i dont see people rushing out to buy Wii-u Fit. If they market it well (alot) i think it would help sales to wii-u..but I really don't think it's going to be a game changer. I really do think the wii-u is pretty much low 35 million console sales lifetime and i am not sure anything is going to change that.



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Wii U Gamepad and cost, along with the Wii U itself currently not being an attractive product for the mass market.

The Wii did so well with Wii Sports because the Wii Remote was revolutionary. It literally changed the way we play and made gaming accessible to people the industry simply never got to before. The Wii U Gamepad simply doesnt have this accessibility or mass market appeal.

Wii Fit again did so well because it was revolutionary at the time. There was nothing like it, it was the best you could get. It went hand in hand with the Wii philosophy of targeting the expanded market that wasnt available on competing platforms. To get the best, you had to get Wii and Wii Fit. As of right now, this isnt the case.

The Wii U Gamepad is Nintendo's biggest enemy in regards to the mass market and games like Wii Sports. Increased competition and a lack of faith in Wii U itself is the biggest enemy in regards to Wii Fit.



Nintendo needs a magical killer app only possible on wii u.

That magical killer app ain't gonna be either the new wii sports or new wii fit. those games may become great sellers, but won't have the same impact as in the wii era.

Nintendo needs to create something really new, and unique, innovate in something that microsoft will trash talk but will copy anyway.



gum said:

Many people seem to think that's a sure thing that these games won't sell amazingly well again, so I'm just asking for proofs because I don't see any reason to believe that:

- 3DS and a pure casual game like Animal Crossing are still selling amasingly well despite smartphones and those devices are certainly competing much more with handhelds and this kind of games than they are with consoles and ips like WS and WF which don't exist at all on these platforms.

- Wii Fit Plus, Wii Sport Resort but also all the Just Dance annual iterrations, Zumba Fitness, Kinect games... all sold or keep selling really well even in a very recent past.

 

So please explain me with proofs and arguments, not baseless personal assumptions, why there is a better chance exactly for these particular ips to be finished commercially than for COD, Halo or FPSs in general for example.

Well Just Dance is already past its peak, lost around 4m customers within a year (12m to 8m). Mostly thanks to Kinect and Wii fading out and poor WiiU sales. I expect Just Dance 2014 to be the lowest selling in the series.
Zumba Fitness is over 2m overtracked here. Mentioned it often enough but ioi isn't changing anything, so he probably didn't change the algorithm either. On top of that the recent games sold faaaar worse than the first game.
Same for Kinect games, the first batch sold extremely well, the second batch pretty good and the third batch already meh-ish.


I don't see people spending that much money for something they already have for Wii and probably not even properly used.
While a new Wii Sports should definitely gather many sales, it's not really something new where everyone wants to put their hands on.



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J_Allard said:
Was Wii Fit a big system seller? Not doubting that comments reality, just asking a serious question. I know Wii Sports was. I didn't know Wii Fit was.

Personally I don't think either would have the impact of Wii Sports on Wii simply because it was something new and had a certain charm that is very hard for developers to recreate. Also, WiiU is not popular. And you have the Kinect now.


Wii Fit was arguably the biggest system seller of the generation, not counting Wii Sports of course.

Believe it or not, we actually had threads debating whether or not Wii Fit would outsell the PlayStation 3. Thats how big Wii Fit was at the time.



To be honest, when it all comes down to it, I blame Wii Fit.



Barozi said:
gum said:

Many people seem to think that's a sure thing that these games won't sell amazingly well again, so I'm just asking for proofs because I don't see any reason to believe that:

- 3DS and a pure casual game like Animal Crossing are still selling amasingly well despite smartphones and those devices are certainly competing much more with handhelds and this kind of games than they are with consoles and ips like WS and WF which don't exist at all on these platforms.

- Wii Fit Plus, Wii Sport Resort but also all the Just Dance annual iterrations, Zumba Fitness, Kinect games... all sold or keep selling really well even in a very recent past.

 

So please explain me with proofs and arguments, not baseless personal assumptions, why there is a better chance exactly for these particular ips to be finished commercially than for COD, Halo or FPSs in general for example.

Well Just Dance is already past its peak, lost around 4m customers within a year (12m to 8m). Mostly thanks to Kinect and Wii fading out and poor WiiU sales. I expect Just Dance 2014 to be the lowest selling in the series.
Zumba Fitness is over 2m overtracked here. Mentioned it often enough but ioi isn't changing anything, so he probably didn't change the algorithm either. On top of that the recent games sold faaaar worse than the first game.
Same for Kinect games, the first batch sold extremely well, the second batch pretty good and the third batch already meh-ish.


I don't see people spending that much money for something they already have for Wii and probably not even properly used.
While a new Wii Sports should definitely gather many sales, it's not really something new where everyone wants to put their hands on.

A new Just Dance is released annually and still the last one sold 8 Mn and we are talking about an ip which never did the same kind of sales not even close as WS or WF. Seems to me that 8Mn is the very lowest minimum we can reasonably expect for both games then and that's already as much as SSB. That's again the minimum and that's already huge.



Thee Wii U wont sell those games like the wii did and the ganes wont sell the wii u like the wii did. They tried a different approach and failed to catch the same audience they did with the wii. The new audience wont buy into what those are selling so Nintendo needs to find what exactly they will buy into



postofficebuddy said:
J_Allard said:
Was Wii Fit a big system seller? Not doubting that comments reality, just asking a serious question. I know Wii Sports was. I didn't know Wii Fit was.

Personally I don't think either would have the impact of Wii Sports on Wii simply because it was something new and had a certain charm that is very hard for developers to recreate. Also, WiiU is not popular. And you have the Kinect now.

In regards to the OP, it's really too hard to say what kind of impact it would have on the WiiU. The fitness game market has completely changed since Wii Fit's hayday.

Has it really? Wii Fit created that market and was never replaced. Can we really know if this market is now inexistent without any new Wii Fit installment for a while?