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He obviously has never heard of Elaine Marley, Rosangela and Lauren Blackwell, Nicole Collard, Kate Walker, Nina Kalenkow, Zoë Castillo or April Ryan.



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Slimebeast said:
I am already tired of the obligatory minority and gender quotas in games. Far too often it feels artificial. I don't want gaming to become politicized. I wish they could let games be a free zone preserved from political correctness.

I'm also very tired of this holier-than-though attitude.

you and WrathOfTank hit the nail on the head.

you're exactly right



okr said:
He obviously has never heard of Elaine Marley, Rosangela and Lauren Blackwell, Nicole Collard, Kate Walker, Nina Kalenkow, Zoë Castillo or April Ryan.


Yeah, they should definitively take some lessons from P&C Adventures, last decade was more or less dominated by female leads in that genre.



This article is soo detached from the "Video games" Industry he could be taking about anything. Seriously.. does anybody care? Female gamers love to dress up as the mildly cloth female game protagonist. They dont seem to care. This is wrong path, Its moving away from the video games industry. Not to mention there are tons of great female leads that dont rely on sex appeal. Im playing Wild Arms XF right now and Clarissa is great. Virginia from WA3 was great, Terra from FF6 was great, Dagger from FF9 was great, Ash from FF12 was great. ... but theres a pattern hidden there somewhere.



binary solo said:
WrathofTank said:
I don't think this will push the industry forward at all. I don't want them to push female lead characters unless it is a natural fit.

What the fuck is a "natural fit"? That's like saying women shouldn't be in the police, or be firefighters or be on the front lines in the military. That there is an inherently sexist statement.

There is NO role that women / girls can't fill naturally that is an essentially male role.

Existing characters can't be morphed into women / girls. No one is expecting Mario to become Maria, or Master Chief to become Mistress Chief, or Nathan Drake to become Nicola Drake. But what is inherently wrong with the next platformer mascot to be a female character, or the next FPS hero to be female, the next Action/Adventure icon to be a woman?

The new Tomb Raider shows the female action/adventure lead  can give strong sales in a realistic / non-stylised setting. Heavenly Sword proves a great hack'n'slash can be centred on female protagonists and not just man-mountains like Kratos.


I hate all this gender crap. Men should be men and women should be women. If a given role is written with a male in mind, just swapping the sex of the character without changing anything else (pretty much rewriting the role) will be ridiculous in most cases and just feel forced. We are different, no matter what the stupid gender/gay/transsomething/whatever-you-call-it lobby is trying to brainwash us into believing. If a role is written with a female in mind - the character should be female. If it's written with a male - it should be male. We are naturally predisposed to do other things better and that's why in some cases either male or female is just more believeable in what a given character does.

The case of Kratos is a good example. Would a female Kratos feel as natural? No way. It could be "cool", but that just wouldn't fit as good, wouldn't be that natural. We know who was doing the fighting in ancient times. We have the paintings, sculptures, writings and it's always been men doing the fighting (anyone surprised?). We are way better at it and thus a male character just fits better doing this. That's why the bolded part is wrong. There are roles natural for males and roles natural for females. There were experiments conducted on apes and monkeys that proved that males prefer boy toys (cars, balls, hammers, etc.), while females prefer girl toys (dolls, pots). You can't tell me that the presence of these preferences among apes and monkey comes from cultural factors or is caused by the Christian Church :P Thus you can't say that we should consider such a division as an ancient artifact and that nowadays we are better than that and should reject the old ways. It's just pure BS, we are what we are and what we always have been.

We are different and no amount of brainwashing will change that. Forcing anything unnatural will just make games worse and will be a massive step back for the industry.



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binary solo said:
WrathofTank said:
I don't think this will push the industry forward at all. I don't want them to push female lead characters unless it is a natural fit.

What the fuck is a "natural fit"? That's like saying women shouldn't be in the police, or be firefighters or be on the front lines in the military. That there is an inherently sexist statement.

There is NO role that women / girls can't fill naturally that is an essentially male role.

Existing characters can't be morphed into women / girls. No one is expecting Mario to become Maria, or Master Chief to become Mistress Chief, or Nathan Drake to become Nicola Drake. But what is inherently wrong with the next platformer mascot to be a female character, or the next FPS hero to be female, the next Action/Adventure icon to be a woman?

The new Tomb Raider shows the female action/adventure lead  can give strong sales in a realistic / non-stylised setting. Heavenly Sword proves a great hack'n'slash can be centred on female protagonists and not just man-mountains like Kratos.


I don't think that's true.  While I don't mean to say they can't, it is also true that there are differences between male and female in terms of anatomy that makes certain roles just better for a male to fill.  It depends on what comes first when making the game. 

I do agree with the premise of what you're saying, but the reality is that some of those roles will definitely feel forced unless they have the proper adjustments.